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Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 12:12:56 +1000
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Patriots and WAR


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Geoff/All,

My favorite Bush is Barbara.

Patriot's Day


... NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of
America, do hereby proclaim September 11, 2002, as Patriot Day. ...

Patriot's Day is a state holiday in Massachusetts and Maine, marking the
anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775.

Let's hope the new Patriot's Day and the old Patriot's Day don't get
confused with the more recent Patriot Act which is alleged to infringe upon
our civil rights.

Someone recently noted that the dedication of the President is to be
expected from  one who is not only a reformed addict, but also a born-again
Christian.who received a call to war against Evil.

He learned about war by flying around Texas.

The most persuasive argument against war that I've ever seen  is made in a
book by Chris Hedges.  He noted in a TV interview that the 3000 weapons to
be launched on the first day, will kill mostly civilians.

Killing civilians from the air and killing soldiers with  poison gas  became
popular instruments of God-inspired destruction during WWI

Chris Hedges has been eyewitnes to recent wars as a reporter for the New
York Times.  He calls war a myth and an addiction, and says the myth is
dispelled for young soldiers in battle when they realize their mortality and
respond by crying and vomiting.

He claims that war became, for him, an irresistible addiction.  But now he
has broken the habit and would refuse assignment to battlefield reporting.

In the present era of "reality TV", he says what the public knows of war is
what the communications-entertainment industry reports.  In Bush I's war,
the Marines he lived with in Iraq despised the Baghdad reporting of CNN.

For anyone interested, there is an interview with Chris Hedges at


:http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/6657


regards,
Hugh

^*~*^~*^~*^~*^~^*~^~*^~*^~*^~*^~~^*^*~*~^*~^*~*~^^

> Steve,
>
> Today our "Curious Language of GeorgeWBush" desktop calendar reads:
>
> "I'm gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris.  I've read--I understand
> reality.  If you're asking me as the president, would I understand
reality, I
> do."  (GWB answering a question from Chris Matthew's Hardball, May 31,
2000)
>
> The idea of this conflict being about a "personal myth of transcendence"
imbues
> this calendar--purchased at a strip mall--with Baudrillardian prophecy at
every
> turn:
>
> "I quit drinking in 1986 and haven't had a drop since then.  And it wasn't
> because of a government program, by the way--in my particular
case--because I
> had a higher call." (GWB in West Allis, Wis on Nov 3, 2000; reported by
CNN)
>
> Here one notes, for example, exchanges fixes: laying off the sauce for
reasons
> that transcend government programs or political positioning to a "call"
that
> would now "understand reality."
>
> Avital Ronell has much to say about answering Heideggerian "calls" and
what it
> might mean to "lay off the sauce" only to (necessarily) pick up another
fix of
> some kind.  Her essay "Support Our Tropes: Reading the Desert Storm" in
> Finitude's Score examines the psychology of George Bush senior as he as
lay in
> the cold waters after his Avenger was brought down in WWII.
>
> One possibility that Ronell points to in the make-up of the Bush family is
> Barbara.  Might I submit that resistance against Bush Jr. might begin
here.
> During the recent press conference, for example, no one asked the
> question, "Mr. President, What does your mother think of all this?"
>
> Barbara may be the only thing that can get through to GW.
>
> Here's Ronell:
>
> "While Bush [senior] stands arrested, his language spinning accidently out
of
> control [!], Barbara withers.  She is the figure in the couple who mourns:
> attributing her gray hair--an overnight job--to the grief she suffered
over a
> deceased child (a Robin), she also took a downward plunge a week before
the
> boming of Iraq started.  Sliding downhill on a sled, Barbara Bush breaks a
hip
> joint.  The couple is disconnected, a connection dislocated.  With the
guilty
> part and partner externalized and maternalized, George Bush can go on with
his
> business unfeelingly."
>
> There's much more to Ronell's argument, but it provides in roads to
resistence,
> perhaps.  I submit that protest marchers on this war carry the banner of
> Barbara Bush as a reminder for GWB.  Let reporters find out what she
thinks
> about this war and discuss candidly the differences she sees on this
matter
> between her husband and her son.  Give Barbara the spotlight; bring Mom to
the
> fore.
>
> Best,  Geof
>
>
> Quoting "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>:
>
> > Hugh/all
> >
> > Only the resistence of  multitude, the masses in the local geographic
> > areas can possibly stop the ongoing war against Iraq turning into the
> > slaughter that is planned. Only the realisation that Blair will be over
> > as a political force in the UK and perhaps the world has prevented the
> > USA from ignoring the UN and embarking on the developing suicide that
> > appears to be Bush's new American dream... Perhaps Bush and Blair are
> > confronting the possibility of existing in a world where he has lost his
> > personal myth of transcendence - hence the need for slaughter and others
> > to sacrificed for the strip malls that he worships... ( I feel like
> > Baudrillard as I sit in a cyber-cafe in Washington DC - catching the
> > late plane home...)
> >
> > regards
> > steve
> >
> >
> >
> > hbone wrote:
> >
> > > Steve/All,
> > >
> > > The link you reference is the best article on the subject.
> > >
> > > On this symmetrical date, 03/03/03 there is a search for healers.
> > >
> > > In  a 100 years, 36,500 days the World reaches 04/04/04. (adjust for
> > > leap-years)
> > >
> > > One in 36,500 is the approximate chance for avoiding the conquest and
> > > occupation of Iraq.
> > >
> > > Could the odds be changed by decision of Bush-Blair and two
> > > dozen their top people?  Yes.
> > >
> > > What vision of peace could put the fear of God into those bodies,
> > > traumatize their psyches, transmute war psychology into prayers and
> > > action for peace?
> > >
> > > The future of all nations is in the balance.  The doctrine of
> > > pre-emption will prevail over the doctrine of response-when-attacked.
> > > Conquest and occupation will supersede diplomacy and treaties.
> > >
> > > This morning's news tells us the usual reasons for earliest possible
> > > attack are being augmented by an increasing wave of  dissidents within
> > > the U.S.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Hugh
> > >
> > > ^~*^~*^~*~^*~^*~*~*^~*^~*~^^~*^~*~^~^~*~*~^*~*~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk
<mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> > > To: <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:04 AM
> > > Subject: the healer...
> > >
> > > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,906196,00.html
> > > >
> > > > Robert Kagan is the American thinker who first identified the
growing
> > > > transatlantic rift and coined the phrase "Americans are from Mars
and
> > > > Europeans are from Venus". Here he argues that Tony Blair is the
> > > only leader
> > > > who can bring the two back together....
> > > >
> > > > The above is an interesting American perspecitve on the differences
> > > between
> > > > mainstream USA and mainstream European positions.
> > > >
> > > > My favorite quote is the "kantian" reference...
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I read that today as well.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk
> > > <mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> > > > > To: <lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: America the arm-twister
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> David
> > > > >>
> > > > >> An interesting text. The particularly sick aspect of the
Bush-Blair
> > > > > postion
> > > > >> is the use of the late 1930's 'appeasement' policy to justify
> > > invading
> > > > > Iraq.
> > > > >> Not to bizarrely it is probably more appropriate to think of the
USA
> > > > >> and
> > > > > UK
> > > > >> as the   colonial power invading Vienna... [I look forward to the
> > > Iraq
> > > > >> version of the sound of music....]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This morning (Monday) there was an interview with military
advisers
> > > > >> who
> > > > > were
> > > > >> discussing the 'prepare for war' policies being carried out in
> > > Iraq at
> > > > >> present. They agreed that the change in strategies being carried
out
> > > > >> at present means in effect that 'The war has already started...'
As
> > > > >> they are now 'softening up'  the Iraq ground forces.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> regards
> > > > >> steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Geoff/All,
 
My favorite Bush is Barbara.
 
Patriot's Day
 
... NOW, THEREFORE, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of
America, do hereby proclaim September 11, 2002, as Patriot Day. ...
 
Patriot's Day is a state holiday in Massachusetts and Maine, marking the
anniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord on April 19, 1775.
 
Let's hope the new Patriot's Day and the old Patriot's Day don't get
confused with the more recent Patriot Act which is alleged to infringe upon
our civil rights.
 
Someone recently noted that the dedication of the President is to be
expected from  one who is not only a reformed addict, but also a born-again
Christian.who received a call to war against Evil.
 
He learned about war by flying around Texas.
 
The most persuasive argument against war that I've ever seen  is made in a
book by Chris Hedges.  He noted in a TV interview that the 3000 weapons to
be launched on the first day, will kill mostly civilians.
 
Killing civilians from the air and killing soldiers with  poison gas  became
popular instruments of God-inspired destruction during WWI
 
Chris Hedges has been eyewitnes to recent wars as a reporter for the New
York Times.  He calls war a myth and an addiction, and says the myth is
dispelled for young soldiers in battle when they realize their mortality and
respond by crying and vomiting.
 
He claims that war became, for him, an irresistible addiction.  But now he
has broken the habit and would refuse assignment to battlefield reporting.
 
In the present era of "reality TV", he says what the public knows of war is
what the communications-entertainment industry reports.  In Bush I's war,
the Marines he lived with in Iraq despised the Baghdad reporting of CNN.
 
For anyone interested, there is an interview with Chris Hedges at
 
:http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/6657
 
regards,
Hugh
 
^*~*^~*^~*^~*^~^*~^~*^~*^~*^~*^~~^*^*~*~^*~^*~*~^^
 
> Steve,
>
> Today our "Curious Language of GeorgeWBush" desktop calendar reads:
>
> "I'm gonna talk about the ideal world, Chris.  I've read--I understand
> reality.  If you're asking me as the president, would I understand
reality, I
> do."  (GWB answering a question from Chris Matthew's Hardball, May 31,
2000)
>
> The idea of this conflict being about a "personal myth of transcendence"
imbues
> this calendar--purchased at a strip mall--with Baudrillardian prophecy at
every
> turn:
>
> "I quit drinking in 1986 and haven't had a drop since then.  And it wasn't
> because of a government program, by the way--in my particular
case--because I
> had a higher call." (GWB in West Allis, Wis on Nov 3, 2000; reported by
CNN)
>
> Here one notes, for example, exchanges fixes: laying off the sauce for
reasons
> that transcend government programs or political positioning to a "call"
that
> would now "understand reality."
>
> Avital Ronell has much to say about answering Heideggerian "calls" and
what it
> might mean to "lay off the sauce" only to (necessarily) pick up another
fix of
> some kind.  Her essay "Support Our Tropes: Reading the Desert Storm" in
> Finitude's Score examines the psychology of George Bush senior as he as
lay in
> the cold waters after his Avenger was brought down in WWII.
>
> One possibility that Ronell points to in the make-up of the Bush family is
> Barbara.  Might I submit that resistance against Bush Jr. might begin
here.
> During the recent press conference, for example, no one asked the
> question, "Mr. President, What does your mother think of all this?"
>
> Barbara may be the only thing that can get through to GW.
>
> Here's Ronell:
>
> "While Bush [senior] stands arrested, his language spinning accidently out
of
> control [!], Barbara withers.  She is the figure in the couple who mourns:
> attributing her gray hair--an overnight job--to the grief she suffered
over a
> deceased child (a Robin), she also took a downward plunge a week before
the
> boming of Iraq started.  Sliding downhill on a sled, Barbara Bush breaks a
hip
> joint.  The couple is disconnected, a connection dislocated.  With the
guilty
> part and partner externalized and maternalized, George Bush can go on with
his
> business unfeelingly."
>
> There's much more to Ronell's argument, but it provides in roads to
resistence,
> perhaps.  I submit that protest marchers on this war carry the banner of
> Barbara Bush as a reminder for GWB.  Let reporters find out what she
thinks
> about this war and discuss candidly the differences she sees on this
matter
> between her husband and her son.  Give Barbara the spotlight; bring Mom to
the
> fore.
>
> Best,  Geof
>
>
> Quoting "steve.devos" <
steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>:
>
> > Hugh/all
> >
> > Only the resistence of  multitude, the masses in the local geographic
> > areas can possibly stop the ongoing war against Iraq turning into the
> > slaughter that is planned. Only the realisation that Blair will be over
> > as a political force in the UK and perhaps the world has prevented the
> > USA from ignoring the UN and embarking on the developing suicide that
> > appears to be Bush's new American dream... Perhaps Bush and Blair are
> > confronting the possibility of existing in a world where he has lost his
> > personal myth of transcendence - hence the need for slaughter and others
> > to sacrificed for the strip malls that he worships... ( I feel like
> > Baudrillard as I sit in a cyber-cafe in Washington DC - catching the
> > late plane home...)
> >
> > regards
> > steve
> >
> >
> >
> > hbone wrote:
> >
> > > Steve/All,
> > >
> > > The link you reference is the best article on the subject.
> > >
> > > On this symmetrical date, 03/03/03 there is a search for healers.
> > >
> > > In  a 100 years, 36,500 days the World reaches 04/04/04. (adjust for
> > > leap-years)
> > >
> > > One in 36,500 is the approximate chance for avoiding the conquest and
> > > occupation of Iraq.
> > >
> > > Could the odds be changed by decision of Bush-Blair and two
> > > dozen their top people?  Yes.
> > >
> > > What vision of peace could put the fear of God into those bodies,
> > > traumatize their psyches, transmute war psychology into prayers and
> > > action for peace?
> > >
> > > The future of all nations is in the balance.  The doctrine of
> > > pre-emption will prevail over the doctrine of response-when-attacked.
> > > Conquest and occupation will supersede diplomacy and treaties.
> > >
> > > This morning's news tells us the usual reasons for earliest possible
> > > attack are being augmented by an increasing wave of  dissidents within
> > > the U.S.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Hugh
> > >
> > > ^~*^~*^~*~^*~^*~*~*^~*^~*~^^~*^~*~^~^~*~*~^*~*~
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <
steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk
<mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> > > To: <
lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:04 AM
> > > Subject: the healer...
> > >
> > > >
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,906196,00.html
> > > >
> > > > Robert Kagan is the American thinker who first identified the
growing
> > > > transatlantic rift and coined the phrase "Americans are from Mars
and
> > > > Europeans are from Venus". Here he argues that Tony Blair is the
> > > only leader
> > > > who can bring the two back together....
> > > >
> > > > The above is an interesting American perspecitve on the differences
> > > between
> > > > mainstream USA and mainstream European positions.
> > > >
> > > > My favorite quote is the "kantian" reference...
> > > >
> > > > regards
> > > > steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yeah, I read that today as well.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <
steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk
> > > <mailto:steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>>
> > > > > To: <
lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > > <mailto:lyotard-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:21 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: America the arm-twister
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> David
> > > > >>
> > > > >> An interesting text. The particularly sick aspect of the
Bush-Blair
> > > > > postion
> > > > >> is the use of the late 1930's 'appeasement' policy to justify
> > > invading
> > > > > Iraq.
> > > > >> Not to bizarrely it is probably more appropriate to think of the
USA
> > > > >> and
> > > > > UK
> > > > >> as the   colonial power invading Vienna... [I look forward to the
> > > Iraq
> > > > >> version of the sound of music....]
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This morning (Monday) there was an interview with military
advisers
> > > > >> who
> > > > > were
> > > > >> discussing the 'prepare for war' policies being carried out in
> > > Iraq at
> > > > >> present. They agreed that the change in strategies being carried
out
> > > > >> at present means in effect that 'The war has already started...'
As
> > > > >> they are now 'softening up'  the Iraq ground forces.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> regards
> > > > >> steve
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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