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Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:40:14 +1000
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
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Don/All,

I remember the media describing in Kosovo how the able bodied men were killed, the women, children, the aged and ill driven from their homes and land.  Exactly what the Anglos did in North America, I thought.  It's name is genocide.  Marlon Brando claimed the U.S. made  them 400 treaties, and broke all of them.

Hugh


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> Steve/all, 
> 
> I also heard that certain Americans walked out of 
> negotiations when certain Iraqi's asserted that the US was 
> out to exterminate their people.  
> 
> Have you ever been in an analogous situation?  Is this how 
> you would handle it?  
> 
> When someone makes what you see as an outlandish claim about 
> the implications of something you've either done or said, do 
> you just turn away?  
> 
> I'd like to claim that the US and Israel see the Muslim world 
> pretty much the way Western Europeans (with France again 
> being somewhat distinct in this even back then) saw North 
> America two hundred years ago: the natives were just human 
> weeds to be uprooted in the name of "progress." 
> 
> How can anyone in Iraq think otherwise? 
> 
> When the Iraqi's claim that they feel in danger of 
> annihilation by US policy, they have, I think, a legitimate 
> point.  They have, if nothing else, their own cultural 
> identity to lose.  How are they wrong to believe that this 
> might be exactly what they face if they give in to US 
> pressures now?  
> 
> Also notice, though I'm sure you've made the connection, that 
> it's not Saddam who's negotiating here.  These are supposed 
> to be negotiations in the name of some sort of settlement. 
> After all, what does the US claim they were after but a 
> regime change?  If they get that, doesn't that mean they have 
> to take the concerns of who's left seriously?  
> 
> If Saddam, personally, is in fact who the US has its beef 
> with, how can it be claimed that those who are now ready to 
> replace him don't have legitimate concerns?   
> 
> I hope they stick with these concerns.  The US has to 
> understand that not everybody wants their chocolate covered 
> marshmallow style of freedom, and that the whole world is 
> quite aware of how the US itself is already guilty of 
> genocide in the name of this goo! In fact, I feel I may be 
> quite dead of it myself.   
> 
> Don Socha
>     
> 

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Don/All,
 
I remember the media describing in Kosovo how the able bodied men were killed, the women, children, the aged and ill driven from their homes and land.  Exactly what the Anglos did in North America, I thought.  It's name is genocide.  Marlon Brando claimed the U.S. made  them 400 treaties, and broke all of them.
 
Hugh
 
 
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> Steve/all,
>
> I also heard that certain Americans walked out of
> negotiations when certain Iraqi's asserted that the US was
> out to exterminate their people. 
>
> Have you ever been in an analogous situation?  Is this how
> you would handle it? 
>
> When someone makes what you see as an outlandish claim about
> the implications of something you've either done or said, do
> you just turn away? 
>
> I'd like to claim that the US and Israel see the Muslim world
> pretty much the way Western Europeans (with France again
> being somewhat distinct in this even back then) saw North
> America two hundred years ago: the natives were just human
> weeds to be uprooted in the name of "progress."
>
> How can anyone in Iraq think otherwise?
>
> When the Iraqi's claim that they feel in danger of
> annihilation by US policy, they have, I think, a legitimate
> point.  They have, if nothing else, their own cultural
> identity to lose.  How are they wrong to believe that this
> might be exactly what they face if they give in to US
> pressures now? 
>
> Also notice, though I'm sure you've made the connection, that
> it's not Saddam who's negotiating here.  These are supposed
> to be negotiations in the name of some sort of settlement.
> After all, what does the US claim they were after but a
> regime change?  If they get that, doesn't that mean they have
> to take the concerns of who's left seriously? 
>
> If Saddam, personally, is in fact who the US has its beef
> with, how can it be claimed that those who are now ready to
> replace him don't have legitimate concerns?  
>
> I hope they stick with these concerns.  The US has to
> understand that not everybody wants their chocolate covered
> marshmallow style of freedom, and that the whole world is
> quite aware of how the US itself is already guilty of
> genocide in the name of this goo! In fact, I feel I may be
> quite dead of it myself.  
>
> Don Socha
>    
>
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