File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2003/lyotard.0304, message 114


Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 16:12:17 +0100
From: "steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: How many Iraqi civilians were killed, injured




Hugh

Given the soutrces of the numbers perhaps it's worth saying that I'm not 
convinced on the accuracy of the numbers. It is just that they were and 
are the only ones I've seen so far.

The British Govenment blamed Hussain for the deaths of the 1,000,000 
people who died as a result of sanctions since 1991 -  in reality they 
were just denying responsibility for the deaths that their policies had 
caused. I'm sure that they will be justifying this recent collection of 
deaths on the Baathists rather than accepting their own role in the events.

Whereas in the past I'd have agreed that it was a military-industrial 
complex these days, good post-situationist that I try to be, I'd suggest 
it is a military-information complex, a phrase that allows the 
importance of the media-celebrity machines to be recognised and 
acknowledged, from the 19 year old celebrity girls employed to kill and 
maim to middle aged reporters riding in tanks towards Baghdad...

regards
steve


hbone wrote:

> Thanks, Steve.
>  
> Surprised that more Iraqi military than civilians were killed.  
> Killing civilians in with bombs in WWII was routine.  If U.S. 
> taxpayers spent 75 billion of taxpayers money to kill 5000, that would 
> be 15 million each.
>  
> The military industrial complex is getting more complex.  The military 
> destruction is near complete,  Construction contracts have already 
> been secretly awarded to Halliburton and Bechtel.   Every time we do 
> this (with coalition help) there's a new cycle of profit.
>  
> regards,
> Hugh
>  
>  
>
>      
>     Subject: Re: How many Iraqi civilians were killed, injured
>
>     Hugh
>
>     The list form the 17th April -
>
>     Casualties so far. Source: Reuters
>
>     US - 125 killed (18 non-combat deaths); 495 injured; 3 missing
>
>     UK - 30 killed; (22 non-combat deaths); 74 injured
>
>     Iraqi military - about 2,320 (coalition estimate); 9,000 PoWs
>
>     Iraqi civilians - 1,252 killed; 5,103 injured (Iraqi estimate);
>     1,402-1,817
>     (The Iraq Body Count organisation estimate)
>
>     Journalists - 13 killed; 2 injured; 2 missing
>
>     British military casualties. Source: MoD
>
>     British personnel identified as dead: 30
>     British personnel missing in action: none
>     British personnel identified as prisoners of war: none
>
>     All this is defense of neo-conservative (american values...  )
>
>     regards
>     steve
>
>     hbone wrote:
>
>>     All,
>>      
>>     I may be naive, but I thought that since most of the 191
>>     countries of the United Nations,  World disapproved of Iraqui
>>     Freedom, somewhere, someone would post a list of estimated deaths
>>     and injuries Iraquis paid for Iraqui Freedom.
>>      
>>     Google gives more than 200 hits.  A first-level scan of a few
>>     dozen, produced no current estimates.
>>      
>>     Why?
>>      
>>     Hugh
>
>


HTML VERSION:

Hugh

Given the soutrces of the numbers perhaps it's worth saying that I'm not convinced on the accuracy of the numbers. It is just that they were and are the only ones I've seen so far.

The British Govenment blamed Hussain for the deaths of the 1,000,000 people who died as a result of sanctions since 1991 -  in reality they were just denying responsibility for the deaths that their policies had caused. I'm sure that they will be justifying this recent collection of deaths on the Baathists rather than accepting their own role in the events.

Whereas in the past I'd have agreed that it was a military-industrial complex these days, good post-situationist that I try to be, I'd suggest it is a military-information complex, a phrase that allows the importance of the media-celebrity machines to be recognised and acknowledged, from the 19 year old celebrity girls employed to kill and maim to middle aged reporters riding in tanks towards Baghdad...

regards
steve


hbone wrote:
Thanks, Steve.
 
Surprised that more Iraqi military than civilians were killed.  Killing civilians in with bombs in WWII was routine.  If U.S. taxpayers spent 75 billion of taxpayers money to kill 5000, that would be 15 million each.
 
The military industrial complex is getting more complex.  The military destruction is near complete,  Construction contracts have already been secretly awarded to Halliburton and Bechtel.   Every time we do this (with coalition help) there's a new cycle of profit.
 
regards,
Hugh
 
 
 
Subject: Re: How many Iraqi civilians were killed, injured

Hugh

The list form the 17th April -

Casualties so far. Source: Reuters

US - 125 killed (18 non-combat deaths); 495 injured; 3 missing

UK - 30 killed; (22 non-combat deaths); 74 injured

Iraqi military - about 2,320 (coalition estimate); 9,000 PoWs

Iraqi civilians - 1,252 killed; 5,103 injured (Iraqi estimate); 1,402-1,817
(The Iraq Body Count organisation estimate)

Journalists - 13 killed; 2 injured; 2 missing

British military casualties. Source: MoD

British personnel identified as dead: 30
British personnel missing in action: none
British personnel identified as prisoners of war: none

All this is defense of neo-conservative (american values...  )

regards
steve

hbone wrote:
All,
 
I may be naive, but I thought that since most of the 191 countries of the United Nations,  World disapproved of Iraqui Freedom, somewhere, someone would post a list of estimated deaths and injuries Iraquis paid for Iraqui Freedom.
 
Google gives more than 200 hits.  A first-level scan of a few dozen, produced no current estimates.
 
Why?
 
Hugh



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