File spoon-archives/lyotard.archive/lyotard_2003/lyotard.0304, message 116


Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:31:07 +1100
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Re: How many Iraqi civilians were killed, injured


Steve,

I agree about the numbers and about the media.  The media are so blatant.  I
think "post-this" and "post-that" isms and ists just cloud the issue, but
that's only one opinion.

The efforts of all the U.S. experts to make the occupation sound benign are
pathetic.   They agree that progress in Israeli-Palestine problem is
critical, but its hard to imagine a solution.

regards,
Hugh

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Hugh

Given the soutrces of the numbers perhaps it's worth saying that I'm not
convinced on the accuracy of the numbers. It is just that they were and are
the only ones I've seen so far.

The British Govenment blamed Hussain for the deaths of the 1,000,000 people
who died as a result of sanctions since 1991 -  in reality they were just
denying responsibility for the deaths that their policies had caused. I'm
sure that they will be justifying this recent collection of deaths on the
Baathists rather than accepting their own role in the events.

Whereas in the past I'd have agreed that it was a military-industrial
complex these days, good post-situationist that I try to be, I'd suggest it
is a military-information complex, a phrase that allows the importance of
the media-celebrity machines to be recognised and acknowledged, from the 19
year old celebrity girls employed to kill and maim to middle aged reporters
riding in tanks towards Baghdad...

regards
steve


hbone wrote:

Thanks, Steve.

Surprised that more Iraqi military than civilians were killed.  Killing
civilians in with bombs in WWII was routine.  If U.S. taxpayers spent 75
billion of taxpayers money to kill 5000, that would be 15 million each.

The military industrial complex is getting more complex.  The military
destruction is near complete,  Construction contracts have already been
secretly awarded to Halliburton and Bechtel.   Every time we do this (with
coalition help) there's a new cycle of profit.

regards,
Hugh



Subject: Re: How many Iraqi civilians were killed, injured


Hugh

The list form the 17th April -

Casualties so far. Source: Reuters
US - 125 killed (18 non-combat deaths); 495 injured; 3 missing
UK - 30 killed; (22 non-combat deaths); 74 injured
Iraqi military - about 2,320 (coalition estimate); 9,000 PoWs
Iraqi civilians - 1,252 killed; 5,103 injured (Iraqi estimate); 1,402-1,817
(The Iraq Body Count organisation estimate)
Journalists - 13 killed; 2 injured; 2 missing
British military casualties. Source: MoD
British personnel identified as dead: 30
British personnel missing in action: none
British personnel identified as prisoners of war: none
All this is defense of neo-conservative (american values...  )

regards
steve

hbone wrote:

All,

I may be naive, but I thought that since most of the 191 countries of the
United Nations,  World disapproved of Iraqui Freedom, somewhere, someone
would post a list of estimated deaths and injuries Iraquis paid for Iraqui
Freedom.

Google gives more than 200 hits.  A first-level scan of a few dozen,
produced no current estimates.

Why?

Hugh



   

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