From: "Eric" <ericandmary-AT-earthlink.net> Subject: RE: silence, enfans, il y a, sublime Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:24:44 -0500 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. Steve wrote: Thus I doubt the "ethical life" proposal that followed the quote from Eric - unless the enfans can be forcibly seperated from the psychoanalytical meanings of the child, which I doubt. Steve: You need to unpack this a little more. As it stands, I can't make any sense of it. Of course I am working towards a psychoanalytical approach to ethics, as I believe Lyotard and Lacan were doing, and Badiou and Zizek are still doing. I see the inner child as a touchy feeling new age abomination and I don't think this is what Lyotard meant by the enfans at all; not at all..the enfans is closer to the inner bitch inside each of us, the lawless bastard. I also don't see how this involves me in a defense of the noble savage (the concept of which I explicitly critiqued in my posting) or some implicit defense of liberal capitalism as the ultimate horizon of ethics. Obviously, ethics and politics are not mutually exclusive. Are you implying that in the name of good politics, one can only practice bad ethics? If your argument is one that wants to place ethics within a framework of ecological relationships as well as human ones, I am in agreement with you. I certainly didn't mean to limit ethics to the practice of good manners among well-behaved adults, but rather with the struggle to foster something which present day society cannot allow and which remains alien to it, but which is necessary if humanity is to continue. Think of the slaves on the southern plantations keeping alive a memory and tradition as best they could and you have some idea of what ethics means today. The point is, the system of the southern plantation extends its mentality, even today, throughout the world as it continues to bind us libidinally to the broken earth of comparative advantage. eric
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Steve wrote:
Thus I doubt the "ethical life" proposal
that followed the quote from Eric - unless the enfans can be forcibly seperated
from the psychoanalytical meanings of the child, which I doubt.
Steve:
You need to unpack this a little more. As it stands, I can’t make any sense
of it.
Of course I am working towards a
psychoanalytical approach to ethics, as I believe Lyotard and Lacan were doing,
and Badiou and Zizek are still doing. I see the inner child as a touchy feeling
new age abomination and I don’t think this is what Lyotard meant by the
enfans at all; not at all….the enfans is closer to the inner bitch inside
each of us, the lawless bastard.
I also don’t see how this involves
me in a defense of the noble savage (the concept of which I explicitly critiqued
in my posting) or some implicit defense of liberal capitalism as the ultimate horizon
of ethics. Obviously, ethics and
politics are not mutually exclusive. Are you implying that in the name of good
politics, one can only practice bad ethics?
If your argument is one that wants to
place ethics within a framework of ecological relationships as well as human
ones, I am in agreement with you. I certainly didn’t mean to limit ethics
to the practice of good manners among well-behaved adults, but rather with the
struggle to foster something which present day society cannot allow and which
remains alien to it, but which is necessary if humanity is to continue. Think of the slaves on the southern
plantations keeping alive a memory and tradition as best they could and you
have some idea of what ethics means today.
The point is, the system of the southern
plantation extends its mentality, even today, throughout the world as it continues
to bind us libidinally to the broken earth of comparative advantage.
eric