Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 14:55:34 +0000 From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk> Subject: Re: Zizek and Badiou Eric/all/lydia Whilst I'm looking forward to the below I suspect the divide between what is an acceptable socio-political-philsophical position and that which Zizek/Badiou are going to suggest will place them firmly in the particularistic camp that they attempt to argue against. Why ? Because once you start suggesting that the fundamentalist position, any fundamentalist position is preferable to a liberal position (I imagine this is misnamed due the the usual intellectual confusion that surrounds these issues and I would consider it problematic in itself) then most obviously you are legitimating all reactionary religious positions and the murderous 'holiness' that goes with it. I imagine that Badiou would argue that the French State/Chirac's current enforcing of non-religious symbols in French Public schools is an aspect of this liberal position. But this argument seems on the surface at least to be not sustainable because Chirac is simply not a liberal or a representative of a european bourgeois liberal position and that the French state is (like Badiou and Zizek) rejecting the multicultural position that they are arguing against, in favor of the conservative secularism that has painfully been constructed for well known socio-political purposes which some on the 'left' are mistakenly trying to get 'post'. However the logic of Badious position is predictable and I agree where he produces it in in the Ethics text - for example where he states that no category is in itself blocked from its possible politicization. (see pp112)... (However the category of God and the Holy is perhaps a step to far (laughs)) The quote is from the following - which I have of course booked tickets for... Slavoj Zizek, Alain Badiou and Udi Aloni in conversation Film, Talks: Tue 27 Jan 2004. Slavoj Zizek and Alain Badiou argue with New York-based filmmaker, Udi Aloni, that the true danger in the Middle East is not the fundamentalists, but the predominant Enlightened liberals. Lacanian philosopher and psychoanalyst, Slavoj Zizek is based at Ljubljana University; his most recent books are The Puppet and the Dwarf: The Perverse Core of Christianity and Welcome to the Desert of the Real. Alain Badiou is chair of philosophy at Ecole Normal Superieure; his books include Ethics: An Essay on the Understanding of Evil and Infinite Thought: Truth and the Return to Philosophy. Udi Aloni's acclaimed film, Local Angel, showing tonight, combines poetry, music and images both beautiful and horrific; an unlikely hybrid of elements including Jewish Kabbalism, Palestinian hip-hop, political activism and the writings of Walter Benjamin, it offers an entirely new way of understanding the Palestine/Israel conflict. A DVD/ book Local Angel - Theological Political Fragments by Udi Aloni will be published by ICA, launched tonight and available in the bookshop' it includes commentaries by Slavoj Zizek, Alain Badiou and Avital Ronell, as well as short stories, reflections and a unique music video collaboration of Palestinian hip hop and Israeli rock. http://www.ica.org.uk/index.cfm?articleid=12933 regards steve Eric wrote: >Lydia > >If you don't mind, would you send us a post about this book? I am also >looking forward to reading it. > >Steve > >Is there any more context for this quote? Was it part of a larger >display? > >eric > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU >[mailto:owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of >steve.devos >Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 5:27 AM >To: lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU >Subject: Re: Zizek and Badiou > >Lydia > >it's the Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) in london - it did strike > >me as a somewhat bizarre quote of Zizek/Badiou to authorise... but that >it did seem to fit within the social and political trajectory that they >have been following recently. > >regards >steve > >Lydia Perovich wrote: > > > >>Steve, what is ICA? >> >>I don't know what they're going to say, but perhaps we shouldn't judge >> >> > > > >>by a single quote. As for m'self, I am about to start reading >>Badiou's book on Beckett. >> >>L >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. 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