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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:58:05 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: zizek notes- triangulation - "Spinoza-multitude-Negri/Hardt"


Eric

if Zizek can claim that Deleuze is an ideologist for late capitalism 
(p184) then i feel free to point out that Zizek can be interpreted as a 
supporter of the third way, which is a more satisfying and useful 
understanding....

I do agree that both Badiou and Zizek provide two different and 
alternative marxist political approaches to the Deleuze/Negri base - but 
given that Zizek has taken to calling Badiou rather inaccurately a 
'jacobin' - we really should be very careful at the accepting Zizek's 
messianic unquestioning self-belief in his own analyses.

On the Lacan/Hegel reference one of the interesting things about 
Lacanian analsyis is it's Hegelian drift - a quick review of 'Ecrits' 
shows the extent to which Lacan's psychoanalysis is built on Hegelian 
foundations. I don't think it is to far to suggest that for Lacan 
psychoanalysis like the subject is Hegelian, certainly Lacan's 
theorisation of desire is built on Hegel (see dialectic of desire in 
Ecrits)...

My issue with Zizek/Deleuze and neitzsche is not Zizek's relationship to 
Neitzsche (whether it is Kantian or not seems irrelevant) but ratrher 
that Zizek is writing on Deleuze and ignoring a critically important 
text  which Deleuze's Neitszche was and is.  It was after all the first 
major French study written on Neitzsche - so it is doubly important - it 
shows the extent to which Deleuze influenced the Neitschzean turn of 
that generation of French Intellectuals but also changed the reading of 
Neitzsche's work - breaking the reading from Existentialist and Hegelian 
readings of Neitzsche....Of course this is not to say that Deleue does 
not present Neitzsche as a radicalisation of the Kanian project for he 
does - but rather that to neglect the work as Zizek does weakens his own 
case which is of course anti-Neitzsche and also anti-deleuze (as he exists).


regards
steve
(Lacan and thus Zizek are completely dependent on Klien - without her 
neither could exist... It does please me tremendously that She is that 
important...)

Eric wrote:

>Steve,
>
>Just a few comments for now.  I'm running late. 
>
>Part of my proposal implied that Badiou's 'Clamour of Being' also be
>considered with Zizek's oWb as a companion piece in this was of
>positions. In this sense, I don't think the accusation of
>anti-philosophy holds.  
>
>Obviously, the question of philosophy also involves political
>commitments. I don't see anything in the texts of Zizek that support
>your accusation that he is a third-way liberal. I personally think Zizek
>and Badiou provide us with a significant alternative to the politics of
>Negri who spins out from a Deleuzian base.  
>
>Without continuing to beat Zizek over the head with Melanie Klein, let's
>just say that when it comes to psychology, Zizek is a Hegelian. One the
>things interesting about his approach is that he does not view Lacan
>through Freud, but through Hegel.  He attempts to look at psychology
>from a more philosophical perspective which also questions the
>underlying political supports.  
>
>The question about Nietzsche is an interesting one that I also raised
>myself.  One of the ways Zizek might argue is that Nietzsche's approach
>to morals is basically Kantian.  Both regard the will as essential. The
>difference is for Kant the categorical imperative is a universal and for
>Nietzsche it is singular to the subject.  
>
>When this simple insight is realized, it sheds a great deal of light on
>Nietzsche's comments regarding morality.  
>
>eric
>
> 
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