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From: "Eric" <ericandmary-AT-earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: zizek notes- triangulation - "Spinoza-multitude-Negri/Hardt"
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 20:50:43 -0600


Steve,

I really don't think Zizek is arguing that Deleuze is an apologist for
late capitalism. Is that really your reading?  I think I could provide
counterexamples, if called upon. And if Zizek can be construed as a
supporter of the third way, then the phrase becomes meaningless.  Please
explain to me how Zizek is really Tony Blair?

The fact is there is something jacobian about Badiou and Zizek is
insightful to point this out. This doesn't prevent Badiou from being an
important philosopher, one from whom Zizek borrows rather freely....

You forgot to point out that Zizek doesn't say a lot about Hume, Bergson
or Leibnitz either. My stance is that Zizek is doing a good job of
covering Zizek, even if he isn't taking a totally comprehensive
approach.  

I also don't find a similar urgency to frame philosophy is
psychoanalytical terms, nor I think this symbolic/real structure you
imply is necessary, really is.  

You haven't assumed the role here of defending Deleuze against Zizek,
which I am finding fascinating on various grounds, insofar as you never
previously seemed all that Deleuzian.  For the record, I don't consider
myself anti-Deleuzian; I certainly am still very much informed by his
philosophy, but I think both Badiou and Zizek have some interesting
comments and insights regarding his philosophy, which I am trying to
understand more deeply (I hope with the help of others here.)  My
concern is that your approach is too much of a rush to judgment; without
really considering to extent to which these counterarguments may have
some validity.

eric

 have you gotten to the section on Kant, Hegel yet? I think some very
interesting things are being said here about Kant's approach to
philosophy and the way we are all Kantians now.

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