Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:13:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Evgeni Pavlov <evpav-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: zizek notes 1 


steven,

my motivation for discussion is indeed my own business, my complaint
was following: i attempt to support whatever i say with
reasons/texts, but when i either get a brutally distorted text out of
context (like yours about zizek's *negative* attitude towards
virtual)
or stuff like your other generalized and unsupported blurbs, i tend
to save my time for other things - name dropping, generalizing and
arrogance aren't my favorite strategies...

--- "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk> wrote:
> evgeni
> 
> If you wish to write something to support your position please do
> so, I 
> fail to see what I or anyone else has to do with 'your' motivation.
> 
> regards
> steve
> 
> 
> Evgeni Pavlov wrote:
> 
> >steve, 
> >
> >that is again what i am talking about - what kind of *academic*
> >response is it? - *read the book*? how about simply - *think*? do
> you
> >seriously expect me to take it as a discussion motivator? i did
> read
> >the book and now i am willing to discuss it, however, not with
> that
> >kind of attitude. plus my position is already unacceptable since
> you
> >are sure that it will prove to be unsustainable - so i should i
> >bother and waste my time if you already reject my argument?
> >
> >evgeni
> >
> >--- "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk> wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>evgeni
> >>
> >>read the book.  and prove your own position - it will prove to be
> 
> >>unsustainable. because it is not actually an argument for Deleuze
> >>being the
> >>philosopher of the virtual. What Zizek wants to prove is that
> >>deleuze 
> >>and of course philosophers such as lyotard are ideologues for 
> >>late-capitalism. 
> >>
> >>
> >>steve
> >>
> >>Evgeni Pavlov wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Steve,
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>>Absolutely not - the main point of the text is to construct a
> >>>>plauteax from which the second half of the book 'consequences'
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>can
> >>    
> >>
> >>>>appear to make sense 
> >>>>   
> >>>>
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>>i am sorry if i'm being demanding, but it sounds as if your
> >>>counterpoints are simple disagreements, that's really not what
> i'm
> >>>looking for in this discussion - X is true! No, it isn't! is not
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>my
> >>    
> >>
> >>>favorite type of argument - i have provided some textual
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>references,
> >>    
> >>
> >>>you didn't, i said that zizek points out many times throughtout
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>the
> >>    
> >>
> >>>book that he wants to talk about deleuze as a philosopher of the
> >>>virtual and thus as dealing with the emergence of the New - you
> >>>haven't provided any texts for your position. where do you think
> >>>zizek states that his purpose in the book is *to construct a
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>plateau
> >>    
> >>
> >>>[my spelling]*? i honestly start loosing interest in this
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>discussion
> >>    
> >>
> >>>because i'm not very excited about simple exchange of feelings -
> >>>you're obviously annoyed with zizek, but can you leave that
> aside?
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>evgeni 
> >>>
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