Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 14:45:29 -0800 (PST) From: Evgeni Pavlov <evpav-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Re: zizek notes 1 > Evgeni > You still haven't said anything about the 'text' in question have > you... will you ever ? > I find the silence interesting ... > steve steve, if by the *text* you mean the book, then, yes, i haven't had a chance to say anything, because everytime i do (say deleuze as a philosopher of the virtual), i hear a loud *nope* from you without many arguments; if you mean the *text* you distorted so childishly, then if you were more attentive, you would have noticed that i responed to your letter where you quote zizek trying to answer my previous question regarding you statement that zizek has a negative attitude towards deleuze's notion of the virtual. here is my letter of Dec. 6 again: > Zizek says "...the first reaction to it should be to oppose > Deleuze's notion of the virtual to the all-pervasive topic of > virtual reality....Virtual reality in itself is a rather miserable > idea..." i take it as a proof-text of zizek's negative attitude towards deleuze's notion of the virtual, right? even if i haven't had a text in front of me still even from your quote it's clear that zizek doesn't have any problems with deleuze's virtual - the parag. you quote simply attempts to show that while talking about *virtual* in deleuze one needs to be careful not to confuse it with the idea of the virtual as in *virtual reality* - why zizek dislikes *vitual reality*, because its *virtual* is the opposite (or at least very different from) of what he wants to talk about in deleuze - *virtual* of VR is secondary and imitative of *actual* that is supposedly more real, *virtual* of deleuze's v/a pair is RICHER and full of potentialities, thus *actual* depends on the *virtual* not the other way around as VR idea. if you don't like this, you have a right to do so; if you disagree with zizek's take on VR, fine with me, give me some arguments, but that has little to do with zizek's discussion of DELEUZE's notion of the virtual. evgeni __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/
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