Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 10:55:00 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk>
Subject: Re: A -Palling  Adieu to 2003


Hugh/Geoff

Isn't the idea of words communicating to produce books and ideas - 
passing from and to brains, books, films and computers, replicating from 
object to object and occasionally mutating and generating a new word, 
thought and object not Dawkins concept of the meme ?

regards
steve
hbone wrote:

>geof, steve,
>
>I don't know about cats, but a TV story about the OED said "dog" came from
>the  Dutch "dogge" not
>many centuries ago, and before that the Brits called those animals hounds.
>
>The OED people anticipate completing a new edition in 2037 which will have
>an estimated
>950,000 words.
>
>Someone should write a fantasy about words that communicate without human
>assistance.
>If genes and cells communicate to produce new humans, why not words that
>communicate
>to produce new books?
>
>regards
>Hugh
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~.
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>>>geof
>>>
>>>and then there is the question of what is their daughter called.... (and
>>>her cat)
>>>
>>>steve
>>>      
>>>
>>Steve,
>>
>>On the question of daughters, cats, dogs, lions, and tigers, and bears--oh
>>    
>>
>my!--
>  
>
>>I'm less certain.  Punceptual moves, as I am given to understand them, are
>>worked out of language such as it is.  There may be other beings
>>called "daughter" or "cat," but one's CHANCES in those encounters seem
>>different to me the PROBABILITY that one could work out Paul and Carla
>>daughter's name from their respective signatures.  I mean, MAYBE, "Carla"
>>contains "Lara," but somehow this seems sillier to me that ruminating on
>>    
>>
>how
>  
>
>>the Carla and Paul BLEY together.  To BLEY with Paul"ah" seems less
>>    
>>
>abstract,
>  
>
>>even as it skips pound(stones) across the associative surface.
>>
>>Perhaps what I'm cautious of is not so much the daughter as that darn cat
>>    
>>
>in
>  
>
>>purr-enthesis that you have there, Steve.  I mean, you mentioned this cat
>>before, haven't you, with regard to various illustrations....it rather
>>    
>>
>reminds
>  
>
>>me of a case I tried to make once here about John Locke's parrot.
>>
>>Well, "cats," too, have heurestic value.  Gregory Ulmer, a scholar out of
>>Florida who is interested in notions of punceptual invention, suggests the
>>    
>>
>idea
>  
>
>>of CATTt, a mnemonic anagram developed, in part out of Breton's Manifesto
>>Surrealism, that considers the im/possibilities of (C)ontrast, opposition,
>>inversion, differentation, (A)nalogy, figuration, displacement, (T)heory,
>>repetition, literization, (T)arget, application, purpose, and (t)ale,
>>    
>>
>secondary
>  
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>>elaboration, representability.
>>
>>One could go on and on about people's various CATTt's.  Descartes, for
>>    
>>
>example,
>  
>
>>according to Ulmer, utilizes C=scholasticism, A=geometry, T=theology,
>>    
>>
>T=natural
>  
>
>>science, and t=autobiography.  Zizek the same.  You too, perhaps.
>>
>>Speaking of cats, Joyce has the best depiction of a cat's meow in Chapter
>>    
>>
>II of
>  
>
>>Ulysses:  "Mrkgnao!"
>>
>>How do animals go in everyone else's respective countries?
>>
>>geof
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>    
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>>>gvcarter-AT-purdue.edu wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Actually, though, Hugh, come to think of it, perhaps Paul becomes
>>>>        
>>>>
>"Paula"
>  
>
>>>when
>>>      
>>>
>>>>he plays Carla, or rather when he Bleys, Carla.  (Course, in saying as
>>>>        
>>>>
>much,
>  
>
>>>I
>>>      
>>>
>>>>note in looking through Carla's catalogue that she doesn't seem
>>>>        
>>>>
>interested
>  
>
>>>in
>>>      
>>>
>>>>becoming "Carl" in playing Paul.  Interesting that she should continue
>>>>to "Bley," however, one wonders about how her continuing to record with
>>>>        
>>>>
>it
>  
>
>>>>lends a counter-point to "Bley."  Bad memory? Nothing doing. Paula Bley
>>>>        
>>>>
>is
>  
>
>>>the
>>>      
>>>
>>>>counter-point con-confusion of a proper name neologism.  "Paula" as a
>>>>heurestic, paula poundstone as mnemonic technology (i.e. one uses the
>>>>        
>>>>
>"a" as
>  
>
>>>a
>>>      
>>>
>>>>kind of "ah" stone in one's pocket.  "Paula" to, ah, "Carla," perhaps.)
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>Now, how one moves from Paula Bley to Badiou's St. Paul is a paul
>>>>        
>>>>
>together
>  
>
>>>>different matter, and I perhaps it would best to be paul-bearer of this
>>>>        
>>>>
>pun
>  
>
>>>>lest i cast any more of a paul on the proceedings...
>>>>
>>>>Bebopbebopbebop,
>>>>geof
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks, Geof,
>>>>>
>>>>>for correcting my bad memory.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hugh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>>Quoting hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Geof,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I thought it was Paula Bley.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just got a belated Xmas book,  Gen. Clark's book, and will make  a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>>if anyone is interested.  I realize he is no George Bush.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>regards,
>>>>>>>Hugh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hugh,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, Carla Bley, also a jazz pianist, used to be married to Paul.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>There's a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>good Steeplechase recording entitled "Paul Plays Carla" that suggests
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>that
>>>      
>>>
>>>>>>things ended w/o animosity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>best,
>>>>>>geof
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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