Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:05:52 -0800
From: Judy <jaw-AT-earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: end of spoons


Yahoo sux
all the others mentioned sound like good homes.
Is there any problem with stjohns?
judy



>On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Lois Shawver wrote:
>
>>    On your other points: Do people here want to have their notes 
>>put in the listservs?  Why not summarize and polish your notes in a 
>>webpage if you have something you want to reach the whole world?
>
>because archived list-contributions form a huge resource for anyone 
>who might have a similar question to one that's been asked before. 
>it doesn't matter how much it's been prettified: it's _useful_ as it 
>is.
>
>>    Also, I believe you can turn your email for the listserv off so that the
>>host can turn off people's mail on request but still permit them to access
>>the listserv through the internet.
>
>that's not what i was talking about: i was talking about the 
>possibility of setting the list so that _you_ don't receive copies 
>of any posts _you_ make to the list.
>
>>Are you talking about the subscribers not having this control?  I'm 
>>not sure of that, but hosts certainly have this control and can 
>>provide this service to the list members.  I do.
>
>then that's one more thing for the list-admin to do: Mailman lets 
>subscribers do this themselves. and also gives _public_ access to 
>list-archives.
>
>>    Also, I think Yahoo is very easy to operate, easier than Maelstrom.
>
>but not as easy as Mailman, which is what most decent list-providers use.
>
>>You can set it up to be a public list or a private list in which 
>>people can't join.  You can also subscribe large numbers of people 
>>at the same time, so it would be easy to transfer the whole current 
>>listserv over to Yahoo.
>
>that's not true: on yahoo there's a limit to the number of people 
>that can be added in a given period.
>
>>It is easy to control the parameters of the listserv, whether 
>>outsiders can read the posts or join.  I just taught a course on a 
>>Yahoo listserv for example, in which people who had not paid 
>>tuition for the course couldn't join.
>
>again, this is basic functionality that is available on most 
>list-servers. and most do it better than yahoo.
>
>>    Have you tried setting up and running a Yahoo list?
>
>i'm subscribed to several (out of necessity), and moderate/own 
>others. it's much less user-friendly than any other software i've 
>used.
>
>>    I'm interested in looking into the other list servers that you
>>mentioned, Josh.  Thanks for mentioning them.  I take it these servers are
>>not commercial (since they don't have advertising).
>
>correct
>
>>Are these private or university based listservs?
>
>the SRCF is the Student-Run Computing Facility at Cambridge 
>University. JiscMail is a list-provider for the UK academic network. 
>Riseup and Aktivix are radical tech-collectives that provide 
>web-hosting, email and lists for activists.
>
>Josh