Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2004 12:47:05 -0800
From: Judy <jaw-AT-earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: end of spoons


Lois
if there's so many problems on stjohns, why don't you move your list to yahoo?
I've been on several maelstrom lists and found it to be well 
organized and intuitive and the number of times it's gone off line in 
10 years has been something like every few years, like when there was 
a power outage in NYC once, or maybe right after 911 for a minute.  I 
wasn't aware of all those nuisances. they do sound annoying.

As a list member, i have had substandard experiences on yahoo, 
nothing big, just harder to negotiate and to find out how to 
unsubscribe, but the real nuisance for me is the ads.  i hate ads.
Judy





>St. John's is Maelstrom, Judy.  Maelstrom is hosted by St. John's.  They
>have a limited number of slots, but one could check to see if it's
>available.
>
>If one is looking for user friendly software, though, I don't think
>Maelstrom is the best bet.  In addition to the nuisance elements I mentioned
>to Josh right now there are others nuisances that were corrected by Yahoo.
>To me, the only real drawback to Yahoo is the ad on the bottom of every
>post.  To me, that's not so bad.  It's all relative.  I think Yahoo is easy
>and functional.  Josh has some specific criticisms of it, though, and if he
>is going to host it, he should host on a server that he likes and is
>familiar with - I think.
>
>..Lois Shawver
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>[mailto:owner-lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]On Behalf Of Judy
>Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 12:06 PM
>To: lyotard-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
>Subject: RE: end of spoons
>
>
>Yahoo sux
>all the others mentioned sound like good homes.
>Is there any problem with stjohns?
>judy
>
>
>
>>On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Lois Shawver wrote:
>>
>>>     On your other points: Do people here want to have their notes
>>>put in the listservs?  Why not summarize and polish your notes in a
>>>webpage if you have something you want to reach the whole world?
>>
>>because archived list-contributions form a huge resource for anyone
>>who might have a similar question to one that's been asked before.
>>it doesn't matter how much it's been prettified: it's _useful_ as it
>>is.
>>
>>>     Also, I believe you can turn your email for the listserv off so that
>the
>>>host can turn off people's mail on request but still permit them to access
>>>the listserv through the internet.
>>
>>that's not what i was talking about: i was talking about the
>>possibility of setting the list so that _you_ don't receive copies
>>of any posts _you_ make to the list.
>>
>>>Are you talking about the subscribers not having this control?  I'm
>>>not sure of that, but hosts certainly have this control and can
>>>provide this service to the list members.  I do.
>>
>>then that's one more thing for the list-admin to do: Mailman lets
>>subscribers do this themselves. and also gives _public_ access to
>>list-archives.
>>
>>>     Also, I think Yahoo is very easy to operate, easier than Maelstrom.
>>
>>but not as easy as Mailman, which is what most decent list-providers use.
>>
>>>You can set it up to be a public list or a private list in which
>>>people can't join.  You can also subscribe large numbers of people
>>>at the same time, so it would be easy to transfer the whole current
>>>listserv over to Yahoo.
>>
>>that's not true: on yahoo there's a limit to the number of people
>>that can be added in a given period.
>>
>>>It is easy to control the parameters of the listserv, whether
>>>outsiders can read the posts or join.  I just taught a course on a
>>>Yahoo listserv for example, in which people who had not paid
>>>tuition for the course couldn't join.
>>
>>again, this is basic functionality that is available on most
>>list-servers. and most do it better than yahoo.
>>
>>>     Have you tried setting up and running a Yahoo list?
>>
>>i'm subscribed to several (out of necessity), and moderate/own
>>others. it's much less user-friendly than any other software i've
>>used.
>>
>>>     I'm interested in looking into the other list servers that you
>>>mentioned, Josh.  Thanks for mentioning them.  I take it these servers are
>  >>not commercial (since they don't have advertising).
>>
>>correct
>>
>>>Are these private or university based listservs?
>>
>>the SRCF is the Student-Run Computing Facility at Cambridge
>>University. JiscMail is a list-provider for the UK academic network.
>>Riseup and Aktivix are radical tech-collectives that provide
>>web-hosting, email and lists for activists.
>>
>>Josh