Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:56:29 -0400 From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki) Subject: Re: M-FEM: Re: MALECKI--WARNING TO LIST MEMBERS > I had thought that as moderator I ought not to make a public attack >on any list member, even Malecki. But the first line of his reply to >Kylie dissolves any obligation of civility. I apoligize to the list. But Carrol must be answered! What are you talking about Carrol? My my first line was this to Kylie; "Yes they is a difference. But could you be a little more specific?" So I really don't get it with the "civility" bit. Your line historically on the lists is to delete anything that Trotskyists say! But this has to do with your own neo-Stalinist political ideas..However,Just a few weeks ago you were willing to "tolerate" your pal Stalinist Adolfo and his "Queen Bee", break the bones and "get the goods" on a female moderater here at Jefferson village. Although we did get a mild protest from you the bottom line was defending this poor macho creep.. But perhaps you meant my second line in the reply to Kylie which went like this. "Is this true? Or some feminist ballbusting?" This was in regards to her attack on Freud as being a coward..And why is the "phallus" rhetoric by feminists not just as provoking to you or is it you are doing a suck up to feminist rhetoric in regards to politics. I certainly do not object when someone uses any kind of language as long as it is in a political context. As a man I know I am a prick in many wats. It is because the society i live in made nme that way. But I am actually trying to fight for proletarian revolution everywhere which I think is the only wat to women's liberation as well as poor and working class people. I am no danger to women in fact it is the slick types who bathe their polemics in perfumed phrases that any serious communist women revolutionary better watch out for! > > In principle, I do not believe that even fairly obnoxious persons >should be expelled from a list or otherwise limited. The practice simply >adds impossibly to the administrative red tape of the list, both for >list members as a whole and for the moderators. But on a feminist list >this phrasing of Malecki's is intolerable. Oh really! Why is any phrase "intolerable" on a "feminist" list or any list for that matter? Since when is this a "feminist list? My understanding is that it is called M-F Marxism-Feminism..Are you suggesting we have a certain dictionary with a special list of words that are intolerable for feminist eyes to see or read? And "provacateur" comes from your neo-Stalinist arsenal which I take with a lump of salt. How about this. I think that consenting adults should be able to fuck on the ceiling or anywhere they want to. That the state has no right in the bedroom. Check your dictionary have I crossed the line? Where is the line on language? Is it the Victorian teatime set of rules? Recently our Carrol was and apoligist for a real hard line Stalinist prick who was theatening to break the bones of the female moderater and turn her in to the Turkish cops! So much for this Oh so dainty Carrol who presents himself as the defender of the feminist half of this list and what he believes is your dainty eyes. How disgustingly patrionizing and boring Carrol is acting and should be an insult to any serious thinking women. Naturally I have not come from the envionment that many of you see as the norm. But I do try to write in a political context and expect to be answered in the same manner. Carrol has proven that what he writes in this letter is garbage and in his actions on other lists a hypocrite to boot. Coming down on Malecki and supporting the breaking of the bones of the female moderater on another list shows his real character. And the Stalinists who did this shit built a new list called the "Lenin" list and Carrol along with his pal Godena are on it and posting this persons ravings to the lists at Jefferson village..A fucking moralist on one list and supporting the breaking of bones of females on another just won't coinvince me or anybody else i hope of Carol's attempts to trash malecki. By the way I was one of the few eople on the list that called for the immediate expulsion of this Stalinist after these threst of violence, "Queen Bee" provacation connected to her being and agent provacateur. Now that is a *real* reason for fighting to expel a person from any list on principle. And all Carrol can come with is dumping on Malecki for a "ballbusting" phrase. How disgusting. Too bad you were so quiet when there was a *real* provacation of violence,sexism, and "getting the goods" on her.. So I suggest even for the most hardened feminists on this list. Watch Carrol who through his actions shows where he really is at on the womens question. Ask him about the "Queen Bee" stuff and in fact much more horrible things his pal and allie was dumping on women. Then there was no question of his Stalinist partner in crime being a "provacateur" then. You are a big joke Carrol and a hypocrite to boot! The main reason I originally wrote and opposed his being the moderater of M-F in the first place. Finally I do not want this list to be destroyed so I will try to avoid anything in the future which could be considered a personal attack. But this does not mean that I will not ask for clarity when some writes such a provoking short letter as Kyle wrote dragging Freud through the mud as some sort of mad cowardly professor who supported child sex abuse completely out of any kind of political context.. Warm regards Bob Malecki ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check Out My HomePage where you can, Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! Or Get The Latest Issue of COCKROACH a zine for poor and working-class people http://www.algonet.se/~malecki Back issues of Cockroach and the book can also be found at; http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ --------------------------------------------------------
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