File spoon-archives/marxism-feminism.archive/marxism-feminism_1997/marxism-feminism.9705, message 36


Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:56:29 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: M-FEM: Re: MALECKI--WARNING TO LIST MEMBERS


>    I had thought that as moderator I ought not to make a public attack
>on any list member, even Malecki. But the first line of his reply to
>Kylie dissolves any obligation of civility.

I apoligize to the list. But Carrol must be answered!

What are you talking about Carrol? My my first line was this to Kylie;

"Yes they is a difference. But could you be a little more specific?"

So I really don't get it with the "civility" bit. Your line historically on 
the lists is to delete anything that Trotskyists say! But this has to do 
with your own neo-Stalinist political ideas..However,Just a few weeks ago 
you were willing to "tolerate" your pal Stalinist Adolfo and his "Queen 
Bee", break the bones and "get the goods" on a female moderater here at 
Jefferson village.  Although we did get a mild protest from you the bottom 
line was defending this poor macho creep..

But perhaps you meant my second line in the reply to Kylie which went like this.

"Is this true? Or some feminist ballbusting?"

This was in regards to her attack on Freud as being a coward..And why is the 
"phallus" rhetoric by feminists not just as provoking to you or is it you 
are doing a suck up to feminist rhetoric in regards to politics. I certainly 
do not object when someone uses any kind of language as long as it is in a 
political context. As a man I know I am a prick in many wats. It is because 
the society i live in made nme that way. But I am actually trying to fight 
for proletarian revolution everywhere which I think is the only wat to 
women's liberation as well as poor and working class people. I am no danger 
to women in fact it is the slick types who bathe their polemics in perfumed 
phrases that any serious communist women revolutionary better watch out for!
>
>    In principle, I do not believe that even fairly obnoxious persons
>should be expelled from a list or otherwise limited. The practice simply
>adds impossibly to the administrative red tape of the list, both for
>list members as a whole and for the moderators. But on a feminist list
>this phrasing of Malecki's is intolerable.

Oh really! Why is any phrase "intolerable" on a "feminist" list or any list 
for that matter? Since when is this a "feminist list? My understanding is 
that it is called M-F Marxism-Feminism..Are you suggesting we have a certain 
dictionary with a special list of words that are intolerable for feminist 
eyes to see or read? And "provacateur" comes from your neo-Stalinist arsenal 
which I take with a lump of salt. How about this. I think that consenting 
adults should be able to fuck on the ceiling or anywhere they want to. That 
the state has no right in the bedroom. Check your dictionary have I crossed 
the line? Where is the line on language? Is it the Victorian teatime set of 
rules?

Recently our Carrol was and apoligist for a real hard line Stalinist prick 
who was theatening to break the bones of the female moderater and turn her 
in to the Turkish cops! So much for this Oh so dainty Carrol who presents 
himself as the defender of the feminist half of this list and what he 
believes is your dainty eyes. How disgustingly patrionizing and boring 
Carrol is acting and should be an insult to any serious thinking women. 

Naturally I have not come from the envionment that many of you see as the norm.
But I do try to write in a political context and expect to be answered in 
the same manner. 

Carrol has proven that what he writes in this letter is garbage and in his 
actions on other lists a hypocrite to boot. Coming down on Malecki and 
supporting the breaking of the bones of the female moderater on another list 
shows his real character. And the  Stalinists who did this shit built a new 
list called the "Lenin" list and Carrol along with his pal Godena are on it 
and posting this persons ravings to the lists at Jefferson village..A 
fucking moralist on one list and supporting the breaking of bones of females 
on another just won't coinvince me or anybody else i hope of Carol's 
attempts to trash malecki. By the way I was one of the few eople on the list 
that called for the immediate expulsion of this Stalinist after these threst 
of violence, "Queen Bee" provacation connected to her being and agent 
provacateur. Now that is a *real* reason for fighting to expel a person from 
any list on principle. And all Carrol can come with is dumping on Malecki 
for a "ballbusting" phrase.
How disgusting. Too bad you were so quiet when there was a *real* 
provacation of violence,sexism, and "getting the goods" on her..

So I suggest even for the most hardened feminists on this list. Watch Carrol 
who through his actions shows where he really is at on the womens question. 
Ask him about the "Queen Bee" stuff and in fact much more horrible things 
his pal and allie was dumping on women. Then there was no question of his 
Stalinist partner in crime being a "provacateur" then. You are a big joke 
Carrol and a hypocrite to boot! The main reason I originally wrote and 
opposed his being the moderater of M-F in the first place. 

Finally I do not want this list to be destroyed so I will try to avoid 
anything in the future which could be considered a personal attack. But this 
does not mean that I will not ask for clarity when some writes such a 
provoking short letter as Kyle wrote dragging Freud through the mud as some 
sort of mad cowardly professor who supported child sex abuse completely out 
of any kind of political context..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki
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