Date: Thu, 17 Oct 1996 00:54:26 +0100
From: m-14970-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Hugh Rodwell)
Subject: Fire and flood


Reynaldo writes:

>Just by the looks of it, Marx dealt with the substantive aspects of the
>Manifesto, while Engels styled the work.  Looking over all the past works
>of Marx, great as he was in term of SUBSTANCE, his works lack fire.

Anyone who can say this, doesn't know what fire is.


>From
>early or humanistic Marx to mature or scientific Marx,

This distinction is Althusserian nonsense.


>his writings used
>Hegelian words (alienation,...) to scientific terms (dictatorship of the
>proletariat, mode of production, superstructure, economic basis of
>society...).  Hence, Marx could not have been the volcano erupting in the
>Manifesto.

This is illogical. Using scientific terms doesn't prove anything about your
style or energy.

And it was a double volcano.


>Engels on the other has the force of a thousand rivers in his style.
>Though their ideas concurred and they have penned many a work together,
>it is obvious that Engels had the power of the endless downpouring of
>tropical monsoon.

Wouldn't all this water put the fire out?

Cheers,

Hugh












>Marx wrote the lyrics, but Engels composed the melody.  Together, they
>made the music of a thousand drums.
>
>Reynaldo Ty
>
>On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Fabio Escobar
>Castelli wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi there, fellow listers!
>>
>> I was reading the Communist Manifesto recently and wondering about the
>> general history of that treatise.  I am particularly interested, for the
>> moment, in which of the two authors had more of a hand in the substantive
>> and stylistic decisions of the pamphlet.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
>> As an alternative issue, perhaps someone out there wants to discuss the
>> philosophical debts the book owes to Saint-Simon.  I have not read any of
>> his works, but have generally heard that his brand of French socialism is
>> considered the most important precursor to Marxism as commonly understood
>> say, at the turn of the century (perhaps Communism is a better term for
>> that era).
>>
>> If anyone knows of a good starting place for Saint-Simon, I would
>> appreciate hearing of it.  I am thnking of L'Industrie, but am not sure
>> that it's the best way to begin.
>>
>> Thanks.  Happy Nietzsche birthday, for you cross-over marxists!
>>
>>
>>
>>