Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:00:19 +0100 From: m-14970-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Hugh Rodwell) Subject: Re: How much work is necessary? Here's an interesting question that cropped up on Marxism-Intro, and my attempt at answering it. Cheers, Hugh ______________________________________________________ >I have a question which probably makes no sense, and I have no idea how to >formulate it properly. It goes something like this: if we took, say, a >medium-sized >country with some resonable natural resources and postulated a certain modest >standard of living for everyone -- decent housing, decent food, clothes to fit >the climate, reasonable health care -- all this throughout every person's >life -- >if we did all this, then how much work would actually need to be done by each >person (who's capable of working)? Two hours a day? More? Less? > >If this question cannot be made enough sense of to generate interesting >discussion, >just disregard it. Trying to answer this gives a good idea of all the intertwined threads linking world production. Take Sweden in the late seventies and early eighties, where Sardine's postulates more or less fit. At that time, given the capitalist system and a Social-Democratic welfare regime, the work done by the work force was necessary. There was no alternative. People were working eight hours a day and five days a week, there was as near full employment as you'll get under capitalism and there was as good cradle-to-grave security as you could expect under welfare state capitalism. (All temporary and on loan of course.) OK. So how much work was really *necessary* for this if we disregard the capitalist system and its constraints, and how much was *superfluous*? Putting the question this way turns the whole business upside-down. We delete the military as *superfluous*, right? Military personnel of all kinds, military production personnel of all kinds. I haven't got the figures. Let's call them m. So the work force gets an additional m people, and you can divide the work to be done, w, by the current work force, f, plus m. Working time, t, equals w/c+m. Then you can delete the whole luxury goods sector as *superfluous*, l (except for luxury goods for collective consumption which we'll ignore). t = w/f+m+l. But you've got to compensate for cheap goods produced by sweatshop labour in semi-colonial countries! Because I'm sure Sardine doesn't want his decent society to gouge people forced to work like slaves in other indecent societies. In Sweden there would be a lot of goods to compensate for. Most of the clothes. A lot of the food. This would add a justice factor to the work to be done. t = w+j/f+m+l. Since a lot of academics, a, would be freed up from trivial or downright destructive research (this is ignoring those already dealt with in the military and luxury goods sectors), we could add them to the work force producing necessities AND subtract a productivity factor, p, from the work to be done, since our academics would be able to devote some of their energies to labour-saving innovations without this throwing people out of work. (Academics pursuing bona fide research with a point to it would carry on as they do now.) t = w+j-p/f+m+l+a. Extra benefits would be the availability of children and young people for socially beneficial tasks organized as part of their education -- helping keep things shipshape in a community, helping old people and handicapped people, etc. Let's leave this out of the equation, but bear it in mind as a bonus. So as a first rough approximation, we get: t = w+j-p/f+m+l+a Perhaps the productivity factor would eliminate the justice factor? That would simplify the equation: t = w/f+m+l+a I'll leave it to others to quantify the variables. However, it is obvious that each of the steps involved here is in direct collision with the existing state of affairs, the capitalist world setup. Beating swords into ploughshares doesn't only affect the Sweden of our example, but all its neighbours and contacts, friends and rivals alike. Likewise the turning of the luxury goods sector to useful production will necessitate the removal from power of those who live by it. That makes two very powerful, international vested interests. The academics will only start being of any use if they feel secure, which means if the community guarantees their security. This is only possible if the majority of producers has the power a) to force the military to demobilize and disarm b) to force the luxury sector over to the production of necessities and c) to guarantee the security of a community producing this way. It is inconceivable that the ruling class (the imperialist bourgeoisie) of outside countries still dependent on exploitation and producing luxury and destructive goods would allow an experiment like this to take place without attempting to destroy it. Which means that the initial stages of the new society would be distorted by inherited military needs -- it would have to defend itself against the attacks of capitalist states whose continued existence it would threaten by its example. So we're back at square one. Welfare state Sweden of a couple of decades ago is about as far as you can go without turning the present capitalist setup on its head. The difference between our new setup and the prosperity of capitalist Sweden is that the new setup will be permanent, and Sweden's general prosperity was only temporary -- a set of concessions to the working class, given to buy social peace and vulnerable to being snatched back any time the bourgeois state felt it had the strength or felt compelled to do so to ward off a crisis of profitability. However, you can see by the equation we came to that there would be immediate gains in terms of a reduced working day. The size of the gains would depend on the efficiency with which the additional labour is merged with the current labour force, and the productivity improvements which could be introduced under the new regime. Cheers, Hugh
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