File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1996/96-11-06.061, message 25


Date: Sun, 03 Nov 1996 20:28:50 +0000
From: DigitaLpostmodernist <michael-AT-nildram.co.uk>
Subject: Re: M-G: On the cop / psycho priest mob again


At 12:53 03/11/96 +0100, Rolf Martens wrote:


|<<-:->Bob Malecki wrote, in one of his "Cockroach" issues, on 03.11 i.a.:

|<<-:->(Quoting Louis "Nobleman" Proyect, who had accused him of being  provocateur:)


Oh yeah! Thought that the essence of Marxism involved 'provocation', a 'calling to arms', a 'stiring up' of the 'dormant masses', igniting their imaginations with the possibilities of 'breaking free'  or even 'breaking down' (a Laingian slip here, please note!) from Capitalism.


|<<-:->>Louis: I have reconsidered my charge against you. I believe that Matt D.

|<<-:->>is correct and I am not. I am convinced that you are a mental patient and

|<<-:->>not a provocateur. Now would you do me a favor and give me the name of

|<<-:->>your doctor. I would like Chris Burford to give him a call to see if they

|<<-:->>can get a more powerful medication for you.


The doctor you ask for is called Dr Dis, which is short for Dr Dominant Ideological Structure.

The medication is False Consciousness, which is fed intraveneously into the blood stream of the proletariat by the Mass Media, which involves television, radio, newspapers, and dare i say it Comrades, damn it, yes i shall, THE INTERNET....


Furthermore, Comrades, Revolution entails the 'taking over of the Asylum by the Lunatics'...


|<<-:->Now Bob M. is a Trotsky adherent and his views thus on some main

|<<-:->points are absolutely opposed to mine. But this "mental patient"

|<<-:->"argumentation" against him by Louis Nobleman (it was on that M-I list) 

|<<-:->IMO seems to indicate that he's not all that wrong on *every* count.


Within right there is wrong, within wrong there is right, maybe a thread could be started on the relationship between Dialectical analysis and Fuzzy Logic?


|<<-:->Isn't that crowd which Louis N P hangs together with, and is

|<<-:->part of, a pretty one? Don't they "argue" in a very nice way?


Why shouldn't Marxist be nice?


|<<-:->He even recommends the services of Mr Chris Burford. Those who

|<<-:->are new on these lists perhaps haven't seen my posting in 5 parts,

|<<-:->to the earlier Marxism list, on 30.06.96, "Why do I think Chris

|<<-:->is a cop?". I recommend it to you in that case! (See Spoon archives.)

|<<-:->Some very interesting things about Chris-B came out in connection

|<<-:->with the "Quispe" struggle which we had in April-June.

|<<-:->

|<<-:->It was also the case that Bob himself supported that (now

|<<-:->completely exposed) US imperialist agent "Quispe". That was bad

|<<-:->enough. But Chris-B did it in a much more "sophisticated, sly and 

|<<-:->systematic" manner, using some very interesting methods, quite

|<<-:->different from those of the openly-"arguing" Bob Malecki. 

|<<-:->

|<<-:->And Louis Nobleman has shown his close contacts to, and close

|<<-:->affiliation to, this person, Chris-B, before too.

|<<-:->

|<<-:->Now on the M-I, there seems to be a "rule" that you're *not*

|<<-:->allowed to say or agrue that certain other writers are cops(!).

|<<-:->Perhaps precisely because of that 30.06.96 posting of mine, I'd

|<<-:->guess. Isn't that an interesting rule? Of course there most

|<<-:->likely would be quite a lot of cops on lists like these.


As Kurt Cobain said, "Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you."


|<<-:->Now here I'd like to warn other readers and writers that there

|<<-:->*seems* to be a whole coterie of some - at least - quite

|<<-:->suspicious people involved (as is Louis Noble and some of his

|<<-:->friends) in the running of these entire Spoon lists. Not that

|<<-:->this can hurt you very much, and the lists may function quite

|<<-:->well as debating media anyway. But when you get to see some

|<<-:->of the "arguments" which these people will bring forward in the

|<<-:->future, you should bear in mind, I hold, the possibility that

|<<-:->they are some really *professional* crooks indeed.

|<<-:->

|<<-:->That "insanity" gambit since long has a particular name.

|<<-:->It's called the "Andropov syndrome", after the onetime biggest

|<<-:->boss of the KGB in the social-imperialist Soviet Union.

|<<-:->Once again: Isn't that a very nice gambit?


Marx wrote about the alienation of human beings under Capitalism, the early psychiatrists were known as alienists. The be alienated is to be Mad. Capitalism drives us ALL that way Comrades.


|<<-:->If you should ever get it used against you - then that IMO should 

|<<-:->be taken as a certain indication that you've hit on something correct 

|<<-:->that is somehow quite uncomfortable to the reactionaries. 

|<<-:->

|<<-:->The reactionaries are in deep shit today, that's what's causing

|<<-:->their wild and nervous actions.

|<<-:->

|<<-:->Rolf M.


What is needed is for us to go out and make the Proletariat wild...

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