Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 12:51:00 +0100 (MET)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: Re: M-G: sectist feuding


=C2ngelo wrote

(as have many before him):

>I=92ve been on these lists for about a week now and I can say this could
>be a hell of an useful and exciting place to be... if it weren=92t for the
>damn endless sect feuding.
>Isntead of an open space for discussion and mutual enrichment between
>marxists and, eventually, other revolutionary socialists, I see a
>battlefield for completely sterile trench warfare between some
>embittered, imobile sects, with their cathecisms and handbooks raised
>high and some schrapnels being fired now and then.

But you see, the fight is over facts. The left, with or without
quotes, is being continually influenced by the bourgeoisie, in
adition to there of course being different opinions. There are
many trends claiming to be "proletarian" when they in fact are
bourgeois.

>I=92ll tell you all: maos (sorry Rolf), trots, state caps,
>neo-krutchevites, whatever. Stop it now.

Not a chance. Khroushchev and his ilk - what did they do?
Support the interests of the proletariat? On the contrary.
They were a buch of traitors who combated the workers and
founded Soviet social-imperialism. Peace with the adherents
of these forces? Never. War against them is necesary.

You say you're "not a maoist". Then you're not a Marxist.
The stupidities you're writing here confirm it.

Louis Godena - whom you so admire - and I earlier this year were
allies, it seemed. We both supported the call for the so-called
WMC and combated the agent "Quispe". (Have you heard of agents,
=C2ngelo? There were some people at the time who said: "You
should all be friends. There are no agents." They lived, like
you probably do, on Mars or something.) Later, Godena and
I came to "discuss", or what you might call it, Afghanistan.
Godena was very angry with me for my applauding of the recent
killing of the pro-social-imperialist Quisling Najibullah,
whom he desribed as a "Marxist".

It's *war*, =E2ngelo.

>Advice for the young:
>Stop listening to these morons. We=92ve got to buid something totally
>anew. Study Marx and Engels very carefully. Some Lenin too - to be taken
>with a especially critically alert mind. The only split that can teach
>you something really important (I would call it the archetypal split) is
>the Zimmerwald Left=92s one.

Yeah! The split between (eventually) Soviet social-imperialism
and the Chinese and other real communists was and is of no importance
whatever!

Nobody should listen to you, =C2ngelo (sorry!), and I think very
few will. That stuff you're bringing is some very old and
very discredited revisionist nonsense.

Rolf M.



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