Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 12:18:04 +0100 (MET) From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki) Subject: M-G: Re: M-I: reply to Sterling Angelo writes; "Where did all that storm about 'Godena's remarks' took place? In fact, that incident killed an important dialog I was having with Louis (G) and I'm not sure if he was totally innocent in that sabotage. Hugh Rodwell's response to Zeynep about the 'irrelevance of the Soviet Union...' insn't it 'party guideline' through and through? What about thoses endless Kbytes of intra-trotskyte arguing and dealing. Your intentions may be the best but the fact remains that M-I is full of sectarian crap. Maybe you just don't notice it anymore." Later on Angelo wrote: >The so called middle classes are a very complicated issue indeed. You >seem to be talking of that layer of low income proletarized >professionals, mostly coming from working class or poor origins and with >some public education behind them. Our list expert on "sects" whiner in fact comes out of the closet here with the *real* reason for starting the sect thread in the first place. It is not just "sects" that he is after. In reality he is after the Trotskyists on this list. Because the bottom line is that his neo-Stalinist popular front politics disguised in this article about the "middle class". He knows that Trotskyists oppose popular front alliances with the tactic of the Proletarian United Front. And the only arguement the Stalinists ever have had against the Trotskyists is the sect shit. This is the real reason in back of his starting the thread. His support of Louis G. and how, according to him Hugh Rodwell sabotaged the discussion by taking up Zeynep and what she wrote is in reality under the gise of "sectist feuding" and attempt to label anybody that does not support the politics of those who clean up Stalinism but in theory and practice want to take us down the same political road that Stalinist popular front politics represent. Disaster! There is just no way Angelo that we are going to allow the Stalinists and neo-Stalinists *real* politics slip through here under articles like yours which praises how great the middle class is and how they have to choose sides. Because in reality this means that people like you and Godena want to tie the working class to liberal and bougeois political parties. And historically everytime that has happened the workers were betrayed and defeated! All to keep the "Socialist Fatherland" save for the Stalinist bureaucracy... Now it is the Stalinists who are the real "sect". You have no program other then the same old formulas that have led to the situation the International Proletariat finds itself in today. And now you are just trying to clean up your image and at the same time build new popular fronts, anti facist fronts, anti imperialist fronts and scream about those horrible Trotskyists. Well, Sorry baby the Stalinists are dead now it is our turn! Perhaps you people should try a little of the old "Red Front-Class against class" shit, you know a new turn towards the working class because the boat is going right by you and you have not even seen the boat..Ha Ha... Notice that the Stalinists and neo Stalinists on the list are boring us with long theoretical articles which write off the working class or Yankee Doodle Socialism or Angelo worshiping the middle class here. They have nothing to say about the great struggles that are going on Internationally, like Adam and the French Truckers or Malecki and Sweden or the PO on a number of subjects or the ex WRP and their trade union iniative or Zeynep on Turkey for example. Because they are only whining about all of those people who are involved in real struggles and programatically and organisationally and individually are trying to intervene in those situiations. The Stalinist and neo Stalinist world is topsy turfy these days and the desperation of these people can be shown in their sectarian outbursts about sects and constantly trying to change the lists or whatever and no matter what the Trotskyists just keep turning up everywhere to disturb them from being irrevelant to what is going on in the *real* world! No they are the real "sect" today. Nobody believes the Stalinist and neo Stalinist garbage. And with no state power to back it up they are desperate. Oh if we only could go back to the good old days. Well, the good old days are gone and so are the Stalinists as a counter-revolutionary force. However the Trotskyists although yet small and quite split Internationally are everywhere! And that is what really bugs these creeps more then anything else. I suggest if you want to get somewhere in the world and are seriously thinking about revolution my friend that you dump your neo Stalinist ideology and find a Trotskyist sect that everywhere are trying to find ways to recruit and grow. Go a ground course in the ABC,s of Trotskyist politics and perhaps you can help move things forward in the interests of the working class.And even if we do not grow very fast our politics are being heard more and more in the once dominated reformist and Stalinist controlled workers movement so then you could be part of something that is alive and well and not dead like the rotten politics of the Stalinists. Yeah the Trotskyists and those who claim to be Trotskyists are everywhere and we are coming in the middle of the night and going to grab the Stalinist and the neo Stalins and reformists political line by the balls and sweep it onto the dustbin of history. Yeah, keep on whinin. But it won.t help. Now it is our turn! Bob Malecki -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! COCKROACH, a zine for poor and workingclass people NOW ON LINE -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ Read the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! COCKROACH, a zine for poor and workingclass people NOW ON LINE -------------------------------------------------------- --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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