Date: 26 Dec 96 17:38:46 EST
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: M-G: M-I: defense of reality



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RE:	M-I: defense of reality

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Date: 26 Dec 96 01:17:28 EST
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM>
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Subject: M-I: defense of reality
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dear friends

Louis P's  greatest achilles heel (among others) is his covering 
up and slurring over the historical role of social democracy  (SD).,
 esp . from 1914 in working with the state /imperialism to gear its 
own nation states toward mass efficeincy and slaughter of the 
imperialist WW1. 
(The SD was in many countries originally a progressive but flawed
trend which by the early 20th cent. was rotting and corrupted
by class collaboration  and elitist/lawyerist  parliamentary
conceptions.)
Study Luxembourg, Lenin, S. Pankhurst , J.  Maclean, et al. on this.


In Germany and other bourgeois states before and after
the armistice of 1918, the SD apparatus again  showed its true nature 
by UNITING with the right wing , the reichswehr, the freikorps
(forrrunners of the Nazis), monarchists and other white guards
to smash up in blood the mass movement of workers councils/sovietized
 from 1917- 23. Louis P's view is that  SD support for imperialist butchery and
then helping the rich drown the rev. workers in more blood  
and running many a bourgeois state for capital since  is 
easily forgivable. I think workers slaughtered by their actions 
in the past and those rising up anew today would/will see
it quite differently.
The SD 2nd Int. trend (Mensheviks , et al.) passed to the counterrevolution
openly
in 1914. Louis P., there  is no retrieving it , the capitalists still love
the SDs and still need them to help confuse and corrupt workers.!
Your unity is unity of counterrevolutionaries!

Louis P. , some of us in this period are going thru the pains
in this period of ebb trying to correct our past mistakes so we 
can be of some good use to todays and future working  class combat.
You need to look much more critically at your own  past social democratic
background/experience  ( e.g. US Committees of Correspondence
 (for Clinton) group , etc.) and deal with it. 
Then you probably would not put forward these absurdities of
yours like  communists/socialists uniting with cunterrevolutionary
groups/trends.

merry winter solstice,

Neil



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