Date: Mon, 30 Dec 1996 08:49:25 +0100 (MET)
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-G: Re: M-I: The Neo-Stalinist,MenshevikTrojka! (part 2)


>Robert Malecki wrote:
>> 
>> Joao continues;
>> >
>> >11. "Alliance of the workers and the peasents"
>> >
>> >The peasent question in the most developed capitalist countries has been
>> >completely shaken since then. The bourgeoisie has learned its bit too.
>> >It doesn't like to be fired upon from two fronts. As things are for the
>> >moment in Europe, with heavy subsidizing of agricultural production by
>> >state and UE institutions, I don't think we stand much of a chance of
>> >having the peasentry on our side. Anyway, its number has decreased
>> >dramatically. We would expect further advance of the capitalist
>> >relations of production into the countryside but that is precisely where
>> >the bourgeois-peasent alliance is puting the brakes on. In developed
>> >countries, wherever the small peasentry isn't nearly extinct it's
>> >heavily engaged in the bourgeoisie's embrace.
>> 
>> I think here that the alliance of the workers and peasants will have to be
>> changed. In some countries to be replaced with and alliance of workers and
>> urban poor..
>> >
>
>Well, are you becoming menchevik or something, Bob. Watch out.

OK Joao, i will try to watch out.
>
>
>(snip)
>> >
>> >
>> >15. "Backward countries and the program of transitory demands"
>> >
>> >There are no "colonial or semi-colonial countries" left. Permanent
>> >revolution is out of business, if it ever made any sense. No
>> >significative "feudal heritage" can be found anywhere. No national
>> >independence problems. All countries of some relevance in the world
>> >today are predominantly capitalist and industrialized, although most of
>> >them are peripheric and dependent, which is totally another problem.
>> >There are more hunter-gatherers than "feudals" now-a-days but I suppose
>> >we're not considering permanent-revolutionizing the inuit, the
>> >amazonians or Iryan Jaya.
>> >Permanent revolution was an interesting concept in the sense of world
>> >revolution. But if we have learned something with the XXth century
>> >revolutions it is precisely that we can't voluntaristicaly whip out some
>> >isolated backward country into socialism just like that.
>> 
>> Joao, In a sense you are reasoning right and drawing the wrong conclusion.
>> In fact your reasoning proves the theory of the "Permanant Revolution"...
>> >
>
>Sure, this is starting to look like Kim-il-Sung's "zuche" idea. Even the
>birds' chirping would prove it once again for all eternity.

Yeah yeah!
>
>> >
>> >16. "Transitory demands program in the fascist countries"
>> >
>> >Painful to read. Totally frustrated expectations.
>> 
>> Actually this section will perhaps be absolutely vital if a proletarian
>> solution to the coming crisis does not evolve!
>> >
>> >
>
>Revivalist mania. History never repeats itself in the same manner.

Again! Do you really mean that fascism can not rise again?
>
>
>> >17. "The situation in the USSR and the tasks of the transitory epoch"
>> >
>> >The same here. Wrong, totally wrong analysis.
>> >How could he, at this time, still point "real bolcheviks" among the
>> >"soviet" burocracy? I wonder what happened to Reiss. He must have had
>> >cardiac colapse on reading this. The GPU found him stone dead already.
>> >"Cain-Stalin"? Is this premonitory or something? Iosip Djugashvili,
>> >where is your brother Leon?
>> 
>> Look, why don,t you admit that you are of the Schactmanite "state
>> capitalist" school. And actually this stuff is not irrevelant because of the
>> disintegration of the Soviet Union. We still have the deformed workers
>> states like China,Cuba, North Korea, and Vietnam to deal with.
>> >
>
>I am of no "state capitalist" school, though I have no doubts that the
>USSR was capitalist. I would defend any of these countries, as most of
>the others, against imperialist agression (be it political, military or
>economic). I am particularly found of Cuba, which I have visited
>recently. But I don't believe they can be "rescued" for socialism. Well,
>maybe Cuba, but we would have to hurry up with this world revolution.

I am not a "state capitalist" but the former USSR was capitalist.Ha HaHa Joao.
But I am glad to here that you would have defended these countries against 
imperialist aggression, however i don,t know why... 
> 
>(snip)
>
>> >21. "Under the banner of the IV International"
>> >
>> >Well, I'm afraid the "sceptics" were right. It didn't work. It had a
>> >complete program, doctrine, tradition and some cadre endowed with an
>> >"unmatched temper". How ungrateful of the workers not to have gathered
>> >at once under this "stainless banner". I'm glad there are some dedicated
>> >people still trying to kick start this thing.
>> 
>> Don,t count on it. The struggle is certainly not over and in fact the
>> objective conditions (the demise of the Stalinists and the desertion of the
>> Social Democracy to the Bougeoisie) are better today then at any time before
>> the creation of the Left Opposition and later on the FI. In fact it is the
>> leftovers of the Stalinists and the Social Democrats that are reallt
>> desperate these days.
>> >
>
>
>> >Now, my trotskyite friends. This document here is a precious historical
>> >relic indeed, but it's quite obvious it can only have a very residual
>> >and occasional usefulness in any serious reconstructive effort of
>> >marxist politics today. Why do you keep brandishing it like the holy
>> >grail of revolution?
>> 
>> Well, it is because the neo-stalinists, Mensheviks, worker Communist, who
>> are continually trying to organise new defeats for the working class with
>> programs that are even far more "precious historical relics"! All of the
>> stuff that you people are coming with is just a reprise of the old. This
>> makes the Trotskyist and their program vital in the future of organising a
>> Bolshevik Vanguard against the political programs that you represent. In
>> fact that is what has and will be ging on both before now and in the future.
>> The basic tenants of revolutionary politics bothh tactically and
>> programatically have not real changed very much in the last decades. The one
>> positive thing for the working class is that the Stalinists no longer have
>> state power in the Soviet Union nor the parties Internationally to enforce
>> their line as before in history. Thus leaving the way open for a chance for
>> the Trotskyists and Bolshvik Leninists to once again take the stage at the
>> head of the Proletariat..
>> 
>
>The sun never shined so bright for the "stainless banner".

Well, the banner of Trotskyism is in much better shape then the banners of 
the historic opposition like the Social Democracy and Stalinism!
>
>> Naturally part of that process is exposing our Trojka on MI who would
>> despite all the rhetoric continue with the old rotten politics of Staliism
>> and Menshevism under the guise of something "new".
>
> 
>It's my first "trojka". I'm so excited. Wait till I tell my friends.

Actually Joao, I don,t think you belong to this Trojka and apoligize. You 
are as of yet a very unstable element politically. A product of the 
incredible situation that the *real* Trotskyists will have to face with the 
demise of Stalinism and the desertion of the Social Democracy to the 
Bougeois camp. But you are definitely part of the swamp!

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki
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