Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:20:03 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: M-G: Re: M-I: Democratic Congo


Karl C wrote the below, on 17.02.

Look Karl (and Dave): Talking (more or less) bullshit,
as you're doing below, that's not combating imperialism
or breaking with it.

Fighting the reactionary Mobutu regime, on the basis
of at least a sound democratic programme, as Laurent
Kabila's forces in Zaire are doing, *that's* combating
imperialism.

Down with Mobutu!
Down with bullshit talk!
Support the AFDL in Zaire!

Rolf M.



>A KARL CARLILE MESSAGE
>
>
>KARL: Hi Dave!
>
>DAVE: But the fact is that these struggles can go nowhere except into the
>arms of one or other imperialism, or alternatively, break with
>imperialism by means of transforming a national democratic struggle
>in to a socialist revolution.
>
>KARL: The above is the kind of rubbish that is constantly being 
>presented by may trotskyist sects about the world Dave.
>
>There is no possibility of struggle in central Africa being able to 
>break with imperialism to transform what you call "the national 
>democratic struggle into a socialist revolution". Both objective and 
>subjective conditions are such that this is impossible. For one, the 
>economic character of this area is so backward that there is absent any 
>objective basis for socialism being established there. Inter-connected 
>with this is the fact that this region of Africa is so 
>under-industrialised that there is little of what one would call a 
>modern industrial working class especially in countries like Burundi and 
>Rwanda. 
>
>Apart from this it is ironic to hear a so called trotskyist use a stalinist 
>argument, that socialism in one country is possible, to criticise 
>stalinism. However the irony is merely ostensible since stalinism and 
>trotskyism are merely modifications of (statist) leninism which is a 
>counter-revolutionary politics.
>
>                                           Karl 
>
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