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From: dr.bedggood-AT-auckland.ac.nz
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:14:20 +0000
Subject: M-G: Re: M-I: Democratic Congo & naughty Dave


> From:          "Karl Carlile" <joseph-AT-indigo.ie>
> To:            marxism-international-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> Date:          Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:16:44 +0000
> Subject:       M-I: Democratic Congo & naughty Dave
> Cc:            marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
> Priority:      normal
> Reply-to:      marxism-international-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU

> KARL: Hi Dave!
> 
> DAVE: It argues that the rebels in Zaire at the moment are not only
> incapable of overthrowing the bourgeoise, they cannot even overthrow
> imperialism without first waiting until some imperialist power is
> ready to lead the way.  He is like a jilted lover. Having been let
> down by the Russian revolution he isnt going to love anyone ever
> again unless they guarantee in advance that they will love him back.
> 
> KARL: So now our trotskyist is his true non- marxist colours.
> According to the above remarks the rebels in Zaire are now viewed by
> him as capable of overthrowing the bourgeoisie. Now there is not
> need for a revolutionary marxist movement to ovethrow the
> bourgeoisie. This contradicts what trotskyism officially claims to be 
> about. Ah but stranger things have happened Dave boy.
> 
> In genera,l luv. your letter is a low-levelled distortion of my 
> postings. But this does not surprise me. Having experienced 
> tratskyist sects of one sort or another one gets used to it. I will 
> be a little surpirsed if I dont get another posting from from you supposedly 
> in reply but full of cliches and vitriol. Ah sure well.......
> 
Karl,  think about what you write. The quote from me you 
reproduce above is attributing a view to you. It simply says that you 
reject the possibilty of a socialist revolution in Zaire out of hand. I do not. 
If you reread the Workers Voice article I posted some time back you 
will see what a Trotskyist programme for socialist revolution in 
Zaire looks like. It addresses the actual struggle today and puts 
forward tactics to develop that struggle into a socialist 
revolutiion. It does not sit back in some comfortable menshevik 
office and say,  `history says that Zaire is not ripe for 
revolution'.  That is a recipe for counter-revolution. Because 
without you permissiion, or Lou Godena's or any of the menshevik 
intellectuals on this list, sooner or later  rebels in Zaire will fight against 
imperialism. And to say that that struggle cannot possibly become a 
socialist revolution is counter-revolutionary. It exposes that 
struggle to reactionary repression with no chance of success..
For during  that struggle the opporuntity to extend that 
struggle to the rest of lAfrica and to Europe, even Ireland, will 
arise, especially if a Lenininst/Trotskyist vanguard international 
exists to lead that struggle. Since in the age of imperialism no 
national revolution against imperilialism can be victorious without 
that revolution being a socialist revolution, (of course you do not 
accept the evidence of the Bolshevik revolution) you will have the 
chance to get off your computer, and instead of  sending pathetic  posts, 
help mobilise Irish workers as part of that revolution. Its up to you. 
Learn to love Trotsky.
Dave.



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