Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 03:10:53 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re: M-G: Re: M-I: Unprincipled actions of the moderators


Jay,

Hear, hear to yours below!

And, as I already wrote in reply to Adolfo,
supporting him with just a couple of lines,
I never was very enthusiastic about that M-I
slave list anyway. I think everybody who it's
any use discussing with should be asked to
emigrate here to M-G.

Your protest against being suspended from M-I
I of course support, on principle.

Rolf M.


>On Sun, 2 Mar 1997, hariette-AT-easynet.co.uk (Hariette Spierings) wrote:
>>Dear Comrades,
>>
>>I want to be inmediately and permanently unsubscribed from this list unless
>>the moderators withdraw inmediately their unprincipled action against
>>comrades jay and myself.
>>
>>The mere fact that this list can continue to tolerate the most vicious
>>slanders against the proletarian leaders - slanders which are clearly
>>organised actions for the purpose of wrecking the prestige of the very name
>>of marxism, while at the same time adopting a "neutral" and "mollycoddling"
>>position between defenders and assaulters of the memories and legacy of Marx
>>and Engels, pretending that the "feelings" and sensibilities of those who
>>think nothing of insulting the heroic struggles of the people's of the world
>>and mouthing the slogans of imperialism and reaction barely concealing these
>>under a bogus left veneer, is more than sufficient for me to conclude that
>>this list cannot longer perform a useful role for the revolution.  
>>
>>Whatever cannot perform a useful role for the revolution is - if, moreover,
>>it unduly apropiates for itself the name of marxism - is nothing but a
>>service for the counter-revolution and a hostile institution to Marxism.  
>>
>>Moreover, the action of the moderators geared to play into the hands of the
>>reactionary Fujimori regime, whatever excuses and liberalistic platitudes
>>they may utter now in their defence. 
>>
>>The attitude of the moderators is nothing short of trying to cover up their
>>own incapacity to clear the counter-revolutionaries of these list -
>>something they ought to have done long ago, if they want to individually and
>>collectively be regarded in any sense as true Marxists - by also punishing
>>the revolutionaries. 
>>
>>I request that this letter of mine be published in the list forewith.
>>Copies are forwith forwarded to other lists.  
>>
>>I will continue to post in other lists - Marxism-news - and Marxism General,
>>both the documents of Committee Sol Peru and my own information service
>>about the real and victorious struggle of the proletariat and the popular
>>masses.
>>
>>In my understanding, the moderators of these list have most miserably caved
>>in in the face of the sanctimonious ploy and given, without a fight, into
>>the most sinister objectives of the counter-revolutionaries, and therefore I
>>am breaking political and personal relations with this list.
>>
>>
>>Adolfo Olaechea 
>>
>>
>Greetings;
>
>Ditto for me, I won't be back either unless the suspensions against
>Comrade Adolfo and I are reversed.  I know that my contributions won't 
>be missed by  many, but the loss of A.O. to the list is of epic
>proportions.
>
>The worth of list members lives?  Well, you know, the Turkish hunger 
>strikers are not on this list, but you have a jerk that said their lives
>and their heroic actions were worth nothing.  He seems to be a valued 
>and protected contributor, though he calls for the defense of Child 
>molesters and murderers.  Of course, those children were not list members
>either.  So I guess the rules don't exactly apply if you are going by 
>the letter of the law.  
>
>The lives of millions of people that sacrificed and died to defeat facism
>and build socialism have been written off as less than nothing by some
>list members repeatedly.  Again, these millions were not list members, so
>I guess they don't count.  Many thousands have died in Peru to defeat
>imperialism and the dictatorship, and the value and worth of their lives
>been less than nothing to some list members.  They don't have access to
>the INTERNET, so blow them off too.  
>
>Communists got rules too, and principles, and I think they are 
>superior to the rules of this list.  Their rules and principles extend
>beyond the internet and include all the very fine millions of people
>everywhere who are and have given their lives and efforts to bring 
>about a new world.  You have have taken action against some people 
>that have defended those comrades who are not on any list, and you 
>might have a bourgeois right to do it, but you aren't going by any
>communist principle. 
>
>In Peru the revolutionary people are not just fighting for national
>liberation or for some list, they have an understanding that 
>what they do, they do for the whole world, not just for their own
>narrow interests.  More people ought to have that understanding.
>
>Jay Miles / Detroit
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