Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:58:54 +0000 Subject: M-G: Re: M-I: China, Trotsky and bourgeois-conciliationism > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:45:20 -0500 (EST) > Proyect writes on Trotsky's concept of permanent revolution: > David, this formula is not even worth 2 cents. You like to repeat it like > a parrot but this is not Marxism. You show an eagerness to answer my > Trotsky quotes with other Trotsky quotes, but this is not the method of a > Marxist but of scholasticism. What interests is not what Trotsky said > about China in 1927, but what happened afterward in 1937, 1947 and 1957, > etc. Trotskyism is simply not the place to go on these matters since it is > satisfied with repeating the "lessons of 1927". > The reason I stopped with 1927 is that if you dont understand what was going on then there is no way you can make it up afterwards. The Trotsky quotes I used were fuller quotes expanding on your own quotes. They showed that we agreed on a national-democratic revolution going over to a socialist revolution, its timing dependent on the SU and the world revolution. What you do not accept is that the initial democratic revolution must be led by the armed proletariat itself mobilising the `plebian masses' - the poor peasantry etc - which was not possible unless the CCP broke from the KMT and established its organisation and political independence. Hence Trotsky's distinction between the two methods of fighting: bourgeois-conciliationist vs the worker-peasant. (147). The bourgeois-conciliationist method (liquidation in the KMT) would see the national-democratic revolution succumb to the reaction of the KMT. Trotsky was proven right. This lesson is crucial for understanding what happened then. The beheading of the second Chinese revolution led to a Maoist deviation in which the peasantry became the leading class. The Third Chinese revolution was therefore a national revolution led by the CCP at the head of the peasantry. This revolution was bureaucratic from birth without the active leading role of the proletariat and created a transitional deformed workers state. Because it fell short of socialism it was also an incomplete national-democratic revolution. A political revolution in which the workers kicked out the bureaucracy would have opened the way to socialism; instead today we see an advanced capitalist restoration underway under the reactionary bourgeois `sign' of completing the national-democratic revolution.The crime of 1927 comes back to haunt the second Chinese counter-revolution. As for Nicaragua. The Sandinistas led a partly successful national revolution but remained trapped inside the "bourgeois-conciliationist" method. Because they had a menshevik view of history and their role in it, they could not establish their political and organisational independence from the bourgeoisie on the basis of the "worker-peasant" method Trotsky spoke of in China. As a result their regime failed to make the transition to socialism, and of course failed to realise the national-democratic revolution, and predictably succumbed to the bourgeois reaction, again in the name of `completing the national-democratic revolution. In this way Stalinism/menshevism, by suppressing the opposition and Trotskyism, contained the world revolution, limited national revolutions to at best bureaucratic workers states, and set the scene for todays counter-revolutionary defeat of those workers gains and the restoration of capitalism. So the significance of 1927 is that it confirms the lessons of permanent revolution in 1917 and provides a method for understanding and concsiously intervening in every national-democratic revolution since. The Chinese Trotskyists did that. In Nicaragua real Trotskyism, rather than fake SWP-type `trotskyism', was also suppressed like every other expression of independent working class politics. Dave. --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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