Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:18:16 -0500
Subject: M-G: Proyect in space and games...


I see that proyect has changed his mind again and has decided that the M-i 
list can still be used for his space forums. When I say space forums I mean 
how Proyect tries to take such a lofty list of questions as a continuation 
of a forum which "Marxists" according to Proyect should be dealing with. 

Now I am certainly not against forums nor in fact taking up some of the 
questions on the long list presented by Proyect. But to take these questions 
and raise them to the level that Proyect does is like taking "Marxism" into 
outer space.

In his latest letter he quickly warns all and sundry about the horrors which 
might come while the lofty "Marxists" including himself present us with some 
more book reviews from New Left review perhaps and even throwing in some 
names like Lenin and Luxemburg in a very neutral sense and Trotsky and 
Stalin in a more hostile sense. Never mentioning some of the more renoun 
Menshevik thinkers on these questions perhaps coming to close to a sore spot 
of being once again accused of being a Neo Stalinist Menshevik at heart.

However I think that doing this type of introduction in order to prepare 
list members of what might be coming is definitely connected to his own 
personel political views and especially his genuine hostility to the 
Trotskyists and Bolshevik Leninists. While at the same time trying to give 
us the impression that his brand of broadie solutions and name dropping can 
solve the problems facing the proletariat. 

Unfortunately I must disagree. Proyects idea for a forum is completely 
disconnected from any kind of real class struggle (although Zeynep writting 
on the National question could be a very interesting reading) is mostly 
constructed to the tastes of the intelligencia on the list who with words 
think that they can change the world. 

Unfortunately words have to be linked to class struggle reality and Proyects 
forum hardly do that. In fact just the opposite it IGNORES real class 
struggle. Today we have a situation in Albania which the LCrmi, Hugh and 
others have taken up. We have Adam who has been very quiet lately taking up 
many of the questions about European class struggle, we have the British 
elections coming up. The situation in Africa, not to mention the former 
deformed and degenerated workers states. We have perhaps? a couple of women 
who want to raise the issue of feminism and the women,s question--Not to 
mention the North American continent and the creation of a working class 
party their.

Why is it that our list intellectuals with Proyect in the lead heading for 
outerspace? Instead of linking these forums to concrete and real questions 
facing poor and working class women. The last forum by the way went on for 
months about the question of "if the western working class was revolutionary 
at all?!" What conclusions were drawn by our intellectuals. Not fucking one 
conclusion! 

It appears to me that some of our list intellectuall want to use these kinds 
of forums for their own egotistical gains or a clap on the head. This 
connected to ignoring the political background which created the situation 
we are confronted with by ignoring that Stalinism,Trotskyism,Maoism, and 
Menshevism exist at all! 

It appears to me that the reason that the list at times looks like a modern 
version of psyko is just because our intellectuals are into cyber forums 
totally disconnected to any kind of living reality. It is sort of like the 
Intellectual version of the working class watching Dallas every week on the 
Tele as the intellectualls especially the American left appear to be 
enchanged in their own form of cyber masturbation of book review
discussions totally disconnected from anything real. I think it has 
something to to with the lack of any Labor party and political backwardness 
that exists in America. This is why the American left are into book 
reviewing instead of real class struggle. 

Both the LCrmi and Vlad or Adam for example are trying to connect to living 
reality! Why is it that the other list intellectuals are going in exactly 
the opposite direction. I thought that "Marxism"  basic ABC's was linked to 
living reality and not a bunch of dusty old books that our list 
intellectuals have read. Not that I am against reading dusty old books and 
applying it to living reality but in this case I think our list 
intellectuals are hardly interested in applying this to realitry. Juist some 
sort of intellectual masturbation to soothe there own egos.

Naturally I would never try to forbid these people from carrying on these 
discussions. However I feel it my duty to point out that they appear to me 
at least as not leading anywhere and mostly are used as a discussion club 
against the revolutionary wing of the list.

I think that if the list continues along this path that it will be like 
putting up a sign that workers and poor people need not apply to M-I. There 
the only thing going on is a bunch of stuffy book review intellectuals whom 
think that Marxism is discussing books while ignoring both the political 
reality we exist in and at the same time think that reports on real workers 
struggles belong not on M-I but marxism-news!

That my friends is really fucking incredible!

Now to the "games" stuff! What is this surpose to mean for poor and working 
class people? Could someone please explain the oh so deep stuff in this 
shit? I think that the only real game is that our list intellectuals are 
masturbating. Naturally I hope that someone can prove me wrong..

In closing I would like to say that I think that the disconnected and spacy 
way our intellectuals are trying to solve the problems of poor and working 
class people are about as useless as Aldolfo and his new partner Mark's 
Stalin list. But the intellectuals are certainly more polite! 

Naturally I will use the time I have to try and intervene in the coming 
outer space forums planned by Proyect in order to connect them to both 
living reality and political reality. You know that stuff that Proyect took 
three forths of his latest letter to warn list members about. What this list 
certainly does not need is more masturbating intellectuals.

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki



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