File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/97-04-02.183, message 10


From: Jacques Beaudoin <grabuge-AT-odyssee.net>
Subject: M-G: Re: Q:s to Jay and Jacques on LeninList
Date: 	Sun, 30 Mar 1997 00:02:30 -0500


At 09:35 +0100 29/03/97, Rolf Martens wrote:

>Q:s to Jay and Jacques on LeninList
>[Posted: 29.03.97]
>
>Hello, comrades Jay Miles and Jacques Beaudoin,
>
>I recently read about the new LeninList and have some
>questions about it to you.
>
>First of all I should tell you that it wasn't in a
>very promising context that I got to know about this
>mailing list.
>
>It was in a posting by comrade Adolfo, sent also to M-G,
>on 25.03, subject "M-G: Re: Monday Posts M-I (part two)".
>
>It read i.a. as follows:
>
>"In LeninList there are also ball and chains and we make
>no bones about them. Comrade Rolf will find he may join
>but that some of his posting will not be allowed, unlike
>in the malecki pigsty."
>
>So, some of the postings sent by me, who precisely since
>long have advocated and represented the political line
>of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong, "will not be allowed" on
>this (presumed) Lenin List, according to Adolfo, whom
>I've long tried to convince that he should give up his
>standpoint of defending the Avakianist reactionary "RIM
>Declaration"!
>
>This is really a counter-revolutionary statement by him,
>I have to point out. And I did so too, in an 8-part
>posting earlier today, "UNITE! Info #31en: What c.
>Adolfo's riddles hide." In this, I mainly commented on
>some of the other charges which he directed against me
>in that same posting I mentioned. They were 30 in all.
>I explained in detail what were really behind them.
>
>Well, so far, I haven't put any questions, have I, but
>I thought it was necessary first to explain the context
>to you both. I also had asked Jay about that list
>and got a reply on 27.03 which I didn't read until
>today. He was surprised I had missed the invitation
>to it, and posted one to me (thanks!), but with no date.
>
>I today also have posted an application to join the
>LeninList.
>
>Since I'm interested in this and since I read in that
>text that you both are on the LeninList Moderators
>Commission, could either of you please tell me, here
>on M-G:
>
>1. When was that invitation first posted, and what
>was its subject line?

Rolf,

The invitation has been first posted on March 14 to M-I, M-G and even
M-News under the subject: "LENINLIST: For genuine Marxism and for the
proletarian cause".

>And further: I also read that three other people,
>including Adolfo, are on that Moderating Commission.
>And he in advance wrote that "some of" my postings
>"would not be allowed". Therefore, could either of you
>please tell me:
>
>2. Is there in fact a decision on the part of the
>Moderating Commission to disallow some postings by me?

The LeninList is not a totally open one like it is the case with M-G, a
list that is opened to all the enemies of the revolution, and all the
anti-Marxist standpoints - despite the fact it carries that name (Marxism)
in its title. As explained in the Call that has been published when it was
established, the LeninList is "dedicated to uncompromising combat against
bourgeois imperialist ideology within the ranks of the Left". So it is the
role of the Moderators Commission to not allow counterrevolutionaries and
denigrators of communism to participate in the list, and also to evaluate
the relevance of anyone post regarding our common objectives.

>3. If so, how will you decide which ones to disallow?

See before.

>4. If a "yes" on 2, also, are there any other people
>concerning whom such decisions have been made in
>advance, without their so far having applied?

You want to create a "united front" with them? It will certainly be a new
challenge for you after working in such a united front with the capitalists
>from the nuclear industry in Sweden!

>5. If a "no" on 2, that is, if this that comrade
>Adolfo maintained had no foundation in fact but was
>only a reflection of his own on how things *ought to*
>be managed by that Moderators Commission of yours,
>will you then rename that LeninList a) the "Nicolas-
>List" instead (after the last of the - old - Russian
>tsars)? b) the "AdolfoList"? c) not rename it at all?

It is IMO exactly this kind of provocation we must not allow on the LeninList.

>I read in the invitation Jay recently mailed me: "All
>genuinely progressive people need not fear discrimina-
>tion on account of any genuine discrepancies". So:
>
>6. Can you affirm that this is really a rule?

Yes, it is.

>And one more question - I can guess that perhaps it's a
>difficult one:
>
>7. What do you think of the abovementioned posting
>by Adolfo on 25.03.97 as a whole?
>
>(Note: It's reproduced in part 4/8 of that posting of
>mine earlier today that I mentioned.)

It is a very interesting one.

>I'd appreciate answers (here on M-G where others can
>read them too) to anything between 1 and 7 of the above,
>by either of you. (This will be sent to M-G, with Cc:s.)
>
>Rolf M.

You can forward this to M-G if you want your friends Malecki, Levy and
other Uttica Rose's to be involved in such a discussion (it will be pretty
interesting to see them defending someone who for "long have advocated and
represented the political line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong"!).

And maybe you can add some quotations from LaRouche (or Hua Goufeng) to
support your one and only fight against the nothing less than
"counter-revolutionary statements" you see in c. Adolfo's posts.

Regards,

Jacques Beaudoin




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