Date: Thu, 15 May 1997 07:45:03 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject: Re: M-G: "Discussion" with/on Chris-B: More later


Hand "Psycho III" Ehrbar wrote, on 14.05:

(regarding me RM:)
>you are marching in the wrong
>direction every single time you are trying to do something against
>capitalism.

That's interesting, Psycho III. Of my postings lately, several
(or even most) have been on the struggle to save the Barseb=E4ck
nuclear power plant here in Sweden against the reactionaries'
closing-down attempt. Last time you attacked me too, in
August 1996, wasn't a main reason that I *defended* nuclear
energy? A somewhat earlier posting by you at that time
clearly seemed to indicate that.

Am I right?

Another question - the other question, as far as "general
politics" is concerned - that I've written about lately
has been the liberation struggle in Congo/Zaire. Since
last November I've been supporting Kabila's AFDL there
and attacking the view that they're US lackeys.

In your opinion, is that wrong too?

I shall pass over (almost) in silence your idiocies,
Psycho III, about how these things are all due to some
"personal problems" of mine or even - what was it? - "thinking
only of myself" etc etc. They don't seem to need more comment
than stating that they reflect on *your* "problems", which
of course are not really your personal ones but are those
of that bad old bourgeoisie.

And, as I've already written recently, nothing more from
me just now on the question of cops.

Well, one more thing:

How on earth could I reasonably be said to be "destroying
this list"??

(you wrote too:)
>and which
>cause you to ignore the fact that you are destroying this list

Rolf M.


>>>>>> On Wed, 14 May 1997 00:43:58 +0200 (MET DST),
>>>>>> rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens) said:
>
>> In fact, Zeynep, I've noted your great dislike for such discussions
>> before. Doug has it too. Not that I think that any of you actually
>> are colleagues of Chris-B:s, but it does very clearly show how
>> warmly both your hearts beat for that class of yours of which
>> he is a professional servant: the rotten good-for-nothing bourgeoisie.
>
>Rolf, you are thinking you are fighting against the capitalist system
>on this list and that you are driven by class hatred.  The feelings
>which you have in your chest, which cause you to enter an entirely
>baseless and uncalled-for attack on our comrade Chris B., and which
>cause you to ignore the fact that you are destroying this list, which
>*is* a forum of anticapitalist struggle, are not feelings of class
>hatred but are the transference of certain bottled-up feelings which
>you are harboring because you are afraid to experience them in their
>proper context.  Before you can join those who are in fact fighting
>the capitalist system you have to sort out your private issues because
>experience shows that you are obstructing everybody else with your
>problems.  You are so preoccupied with yourself and so much out of
>contact with the real world, Rolf, that you are marching in the wrong
>direction every single time you are trying to do something against
>capitalism.
>
>> And: Just for now, I shall not do any more "delugeing" on this
>> subject. That's not because you Zeynep or your snotty coppper tells
>> me to, but simply because I've got other things to do at the moment
>> which I think are more fruitful.
>
>You are trying to tell yourself that you are passing your time
>"fruitfully" while you are in fact hiding out in an illusionary world
>in order not to face the realities which you should be confronting.
>
>> Rolf M.
>
>
>Hans Ehrbar.
>
>
>
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