File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9706, message 105


Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 03:31:19 +0200 (MET DST)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: UNITE! Info #37en: 4/6 To Jay M. on RIM & "LeninList"


UNITE! Info #37en: 4/6 To Jay M. on RIM & "LeninList"
[Posted: 29.06.97]

[Continued from part 3/6]


12. HOW AND WHY WAS THE "LENINLIST" CREATED AND 
    HOW SHOULD OTHERS SUITABLY REACT TO IT? (Ctd.)

As the circumstances show, two seemingly very different groups 
of people who however found themselves having a common interest 
combined to create this list. 

On who may have been acting as string-pullers and who have in 
reality perhaps been manipulated to a larger or smaller extent, 
I cannot of course say anything with certainty. But the list of
moderators (above) shows, that there are here, firstly, three 
people who have long been stating their adherence to Mao Zedong 
Thought (or Maoism), with its correct repudiation, not least, of 
revisionism and social-imperialism - Adolfo, yourself, Jay, and 
Jacques - and, secondly, two others whom I don't know that well 
but whose writings, as far as I know them, show them to be 
hackneyed propagandists and representatives precisely of revi-
sionism and social-imperialism - Jim Hillard and Mark Jones.

Now on principle, there's nothing wrong for Marxists to team up,
in a united front for some good purpose, with various bourgeois
representatives including of course also propagandists of re-
visionism. I on my part have done so repeatedly. Only, two
principles must be upheld by Marxists concerning the engaging 
in such united fronts: The purpose, the program, must be one 
that actually favours the proletariat (and it must be acted on
too and not only remain a dead letter, with opposite things 
being done in practice). And the Marxist forces (i.e. those rep-
resenting the proletariat) at all times must preserve their 
independence within that front and not have any decisions taken
for them by the bourgeois ones (including of course the revi-
sionists). 

That means, for instance, that if you're outvoted, in itself
quite democratically as far as the front in question goes, say
by 4 against 1 on some decision which however you judge to be
unacceptable in relation to the interests of the proletariat
(which are the common interests of close to 5.8 billion people),
then you're obliged to *break* that front, go against that de-
cision and tell everybody why in your judgement it's wrong.

In this case, that of the SiberiaSwamp creation, the purpose
is not progressive but reactionary, as noted above. Out of the
two groups joined together in it, one - that which is probably
led by Adolfo - wanted a list where all criticism of the reac-
tionary "RIM Declaration", which all the three of you in that 
group support or at least are protecting, was to be banned.
Your group got what it wanted on this. This is clearly shown by 
the particular decisions by the Swamp against my joining it.

The other group engaged in the Swamp list creation - probably
led by Jim Hillier - wanted a list where all criticism of old
revisionism and social-imperialism was to be banned. This 
group too got what it wanted, as shown both by the exclusion of 
Mao Zedong in the picture on the Swamp homepage and also, once
again, by the measures taken against participation by me.

It's interesting to note, that, on the one hand, your group,
Jay, is one that supports the reactionary phony"left" 4-gang of 
the mid-1970s as "the real revolutionaries" in China. And I'm 
sorry that I on my part have had to make such a long pause in 
the discussion that you and I have been having on this theme - 
I haven't yet replied to your latest postings in February. I do
inthend to get back to you on this. You people are - in itself
quite correctly - attacking Hua Guofeng for his eventually
teaming up with the openly-righist Deng Xiaoping clique.

On the other hand, the propagandists of the beaten social-
imperialism of the Soviet Union, such as Jim Hillier, of course
are making propaganda too for today's revisionist and fascist
regime in China, the regime instituted precisely by the Deng
Xiaoping clique. So here in your group of moderators who has 
this anti-Mao Zedong picture on their homepage and who's banning
me, the propagandist for Mao Zedong's line, you're repeating in
a direct way what the 4-gang forces together with the Deng 
forces did in an indirect way in China: Combining to combat the
line of Mao Zedong.

Naturally, Jay, I am taking into account, when trying to assess
the character of the actions here in connection with the Sibe-
riaSwamp of you and Jacques, the relative inexperience of both
of you, the fact, for instance, that you never had an opportu-
nity to learn from such a genuinely proletarian revolutionary
party as, during a long time, was the NE in Germany, which I
was so lucky as to get into contact with, back in 1974.

Anyway, as co-moderators on that Swamp, you'll at least get
ample opportunity to experience very directly some methods and 
tricks used by revisionism, and it's up to you both whether
you'll draw the correct conclusions from that or not. I don't
indend to exclude the possibility either that some of the other
moderators might improve their standpoints (too) on the hand of 
experience gained in connection with the SiberiaSwamp.


13. ADOLFO THROWS TWO-AND-A-HALF BUCKETS OF SHIT
    UP INTO THE AIR WHICH REBOUND ONTO HIMSELF
    
FILLED BUCKET ONE

It was in a posting on M-G on 25.03 that Adolfo Olaechea sent
out the first batch of a number of unfounded attacks directed
at me. That one contained as many as 30 accusations, all very
vague and none of them referring to any actual or imagined con-
rcete wrong thing that I might have done; it was all a bundle
of riddles or a collection of pure shit.

To that posting, I replied on 29.03 with a detailed 8-part
posting explaining what was obviuosly the real conflict behind
this all: "UNITE! Info #31en: What c. Adolfo's riddles hide".

Later the same day I applied for subscription to the Siberia-
Swamp, whose existence I had learned of only by that same 25.03
posting by Adolfo, who in it - to me very mysteriously, and, I
thought, perhaps quite untruthfully, among other things had
written, that in the particular case of me, there was a "rule" 
on that list of yours that if I were to join it, then "some" of 
my postings were not to be permitted. *What* postings, in that
case, and *why*, he didn't say.

Under such circumstances, I might perhaps on principle have
desisted from applying at all, but I found I might just as well
try and see what would happen; I had nothing to lose by that.
Lenin in his time did avocate Marxists' entering those "yellow"
or Zubatov trade unions which were organized by tsarism, despite
their reactionary nature, because there were some masses of wor-
kers that could be reached there. And if what Adolfo had written
was true, your list would be an entity of Zubatov character or a
kind of Siberia, the place to which both the old tsarists and
later the new tsarists too deported large numbers of ordinary
people and had them confined in camps. (In the time, in between, 
of Stalin, of course above all bourgeois elements and in the 
main not proletarian ones were sent there, but that's another 
matter.)

It was obvious, I think, that this first bucket of shit thrown
up into the air by Adolfo, the one of 25.03, could only fall
back onto himself, in particular after I had explained to all
the actual cicrumstances of that perhaps mysterious-looking
conflict that had seemed to erupt so suddenly.


A SHIT-BUCKET WITH NOT YET ANY CONTENT IN IT

After I had applied to join your Swamp list, Jay, Adolfo sent to
M-G first a posting, on 29.03, commenting on this application 
and then one other on 30.03, mainly in reply to the profuse but 
not very progressive writer Luis "Nobleman" Proyect, as indica-
ted by its subject line - which is why I didn't even read it un-
til weeks later. Both of these postings contained further un-
founded vilification of me. Those I haven't so far commented on.
I shall do so now.

In the one on 29.03, with subject line "Rolf Martens request for 
Subscription to LeninList", Adolfo wrote that my application had
"been received and will be passed to the commissioners (modera-
tors) panel for their decision."

He on his part was "for allowing me in" (most graciously), he
wrote, "under those [fantastic] conditions" he had already 
written about before. And it appeared that his statement about
them had not been an invention, for he added the following,
which neither of you other moderators have denied the truth-
fulness of either, Jay:

"There is a consensus among the commissioners at present 
(arrived at before hand) that unless you would abide by the 
rules IN YOUR OWN PARTICULAR CASE, your subscription will not
be accepted."[!]

Even more fantastic, wasn't it: You had all agreed that I would
"have to abide by" "rules" saying that "some" postings (quite
unclear *which* ones) of one particular ("possible") subscriber,
namely, one representing Mao Zedong's line, would be banned - 
this I supposedly should sign "acceptance of" in advance!

In the same posting, Adolfo also tried to "explain the charac-
ter of" the SiberiaSwamp, enmeshing himself into a tangle of
ridiculous contradictions. On this, later here.

And that posting further contained the following:

"In your particular case there is already a demand from a 
Swedish subscriber that you should not be admitted at all. I
will ask that comrade to forward again the charges for counter-
revolutionay activities he brings against you, and I will 
forward them to you for your comments, so that the commissioners
panel can study the case properly if they so wish."[!!]

Which meant his once more throwing a shit-bucket up into the,
air, only now not yet with any contents in it - instead a pro-
mise that it at some time in the future *would* be filled.

Reactionary rumour-mongering, that's what such things are right-
ly called. Regardless of whom it might be direceted against, 
persons who are even halfway fairminded don't engage is such
things as saying "look, people, there's a comrade of mine whose 
name I'll not tell you who's levelling charges against someone,
charges whose contents I'll not tell you about either but my 
nameless comrade says they're about some counter-revolutionary 
activities or other on the part of that person I'm naming."

As for my real political activities in Sweden since more than
two decades back, they're well-known to rather many people and
can be documented too on the hand of a large number of leaflets
and other things which I've published here from 1974 on. See
also the end note to this Info posting. I have little cause to 
fear any rumours here, however vile they might be.

Have these "charges" later been "forwarded again" and for in-
stance brought to my knowledge? No. Who on earth might this
"comrade" of Adolfo's and of yours, Jay, be? At the time, I
racked my brains a bit on that one. And why was it that he so 
incredlibly quickly, and so suitably for you moderators too, 
could protest against my application, which I had posted only
the same day?

Well, actually I've recently been able to solve that problem,
Jay. And later here, I shall tell you and all others I can reach
about its indeed very revealing solution.


YET ANOTHER BUCKET, THIS TIME WITH SHIT IN IT AGAIN

By this I mean Adolfo's 30.03 posting to M-G with subject line
'LOU PROYECT "Flees from Communist Dictators"' [No, Louis
"Nobleman" P. was already fed up with and "fleeing" from your
SiberiaSwamp, with its by no means "communist", but as all can 
see for instance here above, revisionist, i.e. bourgeois-reac-
tionary regime].

Adolfo here took out his anger at poor "Nobleman" by lashing
out at me. The shit he threw into the air this time was much
less in quantity than his first batch but, as if to compensate 
for this, even quite a bit viler, as I think all who know a 
little about the political positions and histories of the 
various persons mentioned will agree:

"Lou ["Nobleman" Proyect] is dreaming his usual nightmares....
What he will get is the Rolf Martenses and the Quispes. Conge-
nial company indeed, just the same as the maleckis but wearing 
a "maoist" hat. Well, why not, in that world of ennui of the 
impotent "left", even that can give you a laugh or two." 

Adolfo Olaechea's now even likening me, of all people, to the US
imperialist agent "Quispe", after it, less than a year ago, had 
been precisely I who, together with himself, had been the main 
exposer of that agent in that important struggle against the 
whole "Quispe" gang, and after it for instance precisely had 
been above all I who more or less finally had brought down the 
political curtain over that, at the time, important "Quispe" 
ally Chris-B, London, who just then had been doing his very best
to pester precisely Adolfo - that must be said to represent 
his, Adolfo's, political "all-time low" at least so far.

Or, that was what I thought at the time I saw it. But then I
hadn't yet discovered *who* was Adolfo's and your "comrade in 
Sweden" and thus, why you didn't even dare to tell it on M-G,
and what he had already posted to SiberiaSwamp, which naturally
you preferred to keep "somewhat confidential" too. (See below.)

As for Adolfo's referring to me in the plural - sorry, I haven't 
yet found such allies or comrades that an expression of this 
kind might have any more solid basis in fact. This of course is 
reflected in the fact too, which I'm certain of, that no other 
applicant to join that "LeninList" of yours has been met by a 
"response", on the part of you moderators of it, that was even 
remotely similar to the one that I have gotten.

[Continued in part 5/6]



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