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Date: 10 Jun 97 02:31:28 EDT
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM>
Subject: M-G: M-I: perfidious imperialists



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Date: 10 Jun 97 00:35:38 EDT
From: neil <74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM>
To: marx-int <marxism-international-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU>
Subject: M-I: perfidious imperialists
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dear Hugh,

I thank you for the aspects of your reply verifying
my argument against the 1939  Nazi-USSR pact 
apologists as within  the bound of the marxist method.

But in your critique of my views of the 1930s  USSRs imperialist 
nature leading them to join in the rush for conquest 
and plunder you have a number of contrdictions of your own to
clarify.  

you have claimed in the past that the 1930s USSR was 
a 'degenerated workers state' which needs a 
'trotskyist political revolution" against  a 
Stalinist counterevolutionary  caste controlling  the
political state and centralized  economy who's leader was Stalin.
But in your critique you  don't just per-your usual  deny 
the state capitalist and imperialist nature of the USSR,
you sink deeper in your swamp of contradictions.

You say the USSR did  not  go over to armed force 
(in Poland, the Balts, etc.)  to 'expand'., but  "If anything
was forcing the USSR to 'expand" it was the need for 
a worldwide socialist revolution to ensure its survival
and this would not be the Soviet union as a state in the
 first instance but the socialist basis of the economy 
and the dictatorship of the proleatariat as a voluntary federation of 
states liberated from capitalism and the dictates of the imperialist
world market."

Now this even  contradicts your previous views and  opens 
your floodgates  from muddle  and confusion to farse.

1) If Russia was  still the "Dictatorship of the proletariat'
and even  "socialist" why would you call for "political revolution
to overthrow it? Apparently your  call to replace the rulers
in the USSR state is no more revolutionary than calling
on Labor to  repalce the Tories in the UK!

2) Previously and today  you said Stalinism (state capitalism really-NC)
really was the gravedigger of the Chinese, Spanish, German 
working classes mass struggels/movements  against capital. Now you say
in 1939 , the USSR sees the need for worldwide socialist revolution
and that is why it moves into E. Europe by force of arms !
And this on the heels of the '36-39 purges and terror in the USSR!
What  happened here Hugh, did Stalins regime suddenly  become 
revolutionary  in 1939? 

3) though Russia  has clearly  developing their industry (after) smashing 
workers soviets and councils --and then liquidates anyone or any
workers group who works  to re-establish them --for  consolidation
 of its  state capitalist class rule with wages system (plus labor 
conscription-camps ) , commodified  production in the vast majority of 
industries including human labor power , the exchange economy
 with money and value calculation in the state caps "planning", you call 
this all 'the socialist basis of the planned economy".
Incredible!  Preposterous! Please explain!

This '39  war, like WW1 was imperialist to the core on the part
of the capitalist ruling classes regimes , whether they be "democratic'
"fascist" or fake 'workers states" like the post 20s USSR  when
state cap counterrevolution engulfed Russia and  social democratic
and then  fascist counterrevolution  engulfed Germany , Austria,
Italy, Hungary, etc.

These nations were the pariahs for the democratic  Versailles  imperialist
victors (except Italy , who got the short end of Versailles victors  loot) 
who grabbed most all the cherry booty of the globe so leaving
the other  defeated capitals relative morsels to feed on. Not being 
able to recover and use carrot and stick to smash  the rising workers actions
in the 30s depression, as were the victor imperialists, the WW1 losers were
Economically impelled to move to a more aggressive strategy to crush
 workers,  conquer saturated markets   and speed up accumulation
of capital to compete in the overall market, and that was the key
material basis for their political and military tactics, part of which
was the  Nazi-USSR pact, Munich Pact, Russo-Franco Pact etc..


Neil







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