Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 03:19:11 -0400 From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki) Subject: M-G: Private Email and sniveling hypocrites and "enforcers"! Godena writes among other things; I then wrote, privately, that in my view, Malecki, Brown, Bedggood >-- the lot of them -- were uniquely unfit to wash themselves in the urine of >the Vietnamese people. I wrote, thus, not because I was afraid of letting >people know what I think -- only the most obstinately stupid reader could >fail to appreciate that -- but rather to illustrate a point I was making in >a private context. You, of all people, should appreciate the difference. > >As for private e-mail making its appearance on m-i, I have two, or, rather, >three criteria: I do not post private mail of a solely personal nature, nor >do I dishonor requests to that effect. And I would not forward mail to the >list that would otherwise compromise the security of the original sender. > >Beyond that, I'm game for anything. > >Louis Godena I am taking Godena's post as a springboard into what has become a very interesting thread. The thread in itself is turning into quite a soap opera! Anyhow Godena here has a fairly good position on private Email. But what is interesting is how just this one individual is acting. It is quite clear that our "intellectuals" at least behind the scenes and in their private posts have the tendency to sink to the levels of that "horrible Malecki" who uses fuck in his polemics and all the rest. So when it comes to table manners it is quite clear that our petty bougeois component have one way of acting publically and in private find that there petty bougeois fasade droops and out comes all the horrible lumpen prolo shit they publically despise. I knew this for quite a long time. The Perfumo affair being a good example of the real morals and table matters of the ruling class. Just like Chris B.s post from England about youth today is another good example of petty bougeois and bougeois morality. Big public campaigns about how the "mob" should act and do with specific age limits while they continue to smoke-fuck-do drugs or whatever in private!! Privacy for them is a "real" interest! They as the petty bougeois intellectual crowd here are defending it tooth and nail these days...But in fact it is only their "privacy" in order to control the situation that comes into question here. Don't think they have any principles on this stuff like Andy for example. Now Andy latest on this I see as and honest and legitimate posing of the security question. It is relative in the sense that in the future people could be set up by falsified Email and documents on the net. But then the circus starts and all the creeps crawl out of the walls to use this issue to implement rules and a form of order in order to defend the most incredible and horrid "private" Email that becomes public that was not falsified. And now both Zeynep and Jon from vacation are warning the RMC people that they will be dumped from the list if they post one more "private" mail. This is pure bougeois morality and in the case of Malecki the moderaters are once again jumping right into the camp of the neo-Stalinist Mensheviks and their "power struggle" and despicable behavior and fighting not for the interests of all on the list but this particular viscious little click. Who in reality are setting up Malecki with a viscious slander of being a cop/agent. This is the issue not "privacy". Firstly since when is the accusation of somebody on this list being a cop/agent in the pay of somebody a private matter? It would be the duty of any militant or Communist to bring this information to the list with proof if it was true. Agent/provacateurs are dangerous if they are real. Just as falsified Email would be dangerous. But no the moderaters defend this stuff by allowing Proyect to continue this stuff as long as he does it privately which time and again turns up publically! Instead the moderaters are using the "private" Email stuff to warn and get this time the RMC thrown off the list at the behind the screens behest of the click! In fact honest moderaters should have warned the RMC for not publishing this letter earlier to the list! And they should immediately have said to Proyect prove this accusation or apologise! But no they elect to make this a principled issue of "private Email". What diletantes! Peoples lives are at stake here and they are putting Proyects viscious "private/public" letter which he admits to be the author of time and again on the pedistal.. Once again I say that both John and Zeynep are big pieces of shit. They cowardly are hiding behind a "rule" and allow the privat/public slander to continue. And are in fact helping Proyect in endangeriung militants who face very long prison sentences. And Zeynep tries to pump out the tears for her Turkish fiends in jail at the same time aiding and abbetting Proyect to help the state put people in jail! Amazing Zeynep.. Tying to take a materialist and political analisis of what is going on here is that the M-I is taking on the form of a bougeois state! Where the various interests see the moderaters as the instrument to control and gain power over this state. The state in itself is human material and depending on who gets put in their line up with those interests and fight in their interests. It is really quite funny this fasade of M-I being some sort of serious "democratic" discussion list for "leftists". There is no workers democracy going on here now based on a three post a day limit with the right to use the delete button. It is a real power struggle and manuvering that is going on by those who time and again are using organisational manuvres to silence those who question the present powers that be. In the final analisis this latest struggle shows that the present human material are putting "privacy" on the pedistal not for any principle! This is just a cover in order to allow the present click to continue to paint up the opposition as crazy or cop/agents or nuts and when the heat is on to cover their tracks by making up rules and enforcing them against the victims of these private attacks.. I honestly must say there is more honesty on the block I live in which is a make up of workers, there children and older people. On this list are just quite a few viscious backroom wheelers and dealers who put on their powdered wigs when appearing publically and save all the juicy stuff to use to stick the knife in the backs of their political opponents privately. What cowards, what fakers and to think that Zeynep and John think people should believe them after this is a real fucking pipedream. You are not moderaters but active participants on the side of the gang in order to defend endangering real peoples lives. I and others are facing long prison sentences and you elect to support and back up Proyect with your rules of privacy! That is what you are really doing despite all Zeynep's handwringing and pleading about Turkey and her emotional outburst about my position on the hunger strikers which I still uphold. In reality she wants to punch me in the mouth) because i say Comrades eat! Prepare and struggle! Don't starve to death! Her line is to tail after events in Turkey and cry at the burials! By the way I notice you fail to mention that I defended these people against the Turkish state while disagreeing with their suicida tactics! Well those coffins hurt me much more then Zeyneps tears believe me. How many good militsants wasted by starving themselves to death. Better to struggle and let them put you against the wall singing the International.. Anyhow the latest is the most disgraceful, disgusting new low that this list and its moderaters have sunk to. I defend the RMC and its actions thus far. The moderaters defend Proyect and his dangerous unproved cop/agent baiting! The moderaters now have the gaul to today warn the RMC for a "private" letter which Proyect sent exactly so that he could pull your strings and gag the RMC and in the final analisis get them removed from the list.. It is Proyect with the support of the moderaters that are the real criminals and in fact allow once again this cop/agent viscious neo-Stalinist Menshevik yellow journalist go free... And in the final analisis it is these people who are destroying workers democracy and making this list a real place to discuss. They don't want to discuss. They want to be obeyed! And when serious Revolutionary Marxists begin to challenge their authority they begin to howl, slander and scream while at the same time the moderaters time and again back them up as the real "enforcers" (notice i did not use the word COP) of their anti democratic bureaucratic manuvres to get any serious opposition either silenced through "special rules" or banned from the list. I defend the RMC this latest two "private mailing" incidents. The first the criminal belated publication of Proyects letter on me and the second RMC publication of Proyects "This is a strictly private letter" provacation to set them up for expulsion. And the moderater "enforcers" have once again proved that it is not the victims they defend but the criminals. I hope that all serious thinking militants defend these people on this occasion. Anything else would be ridiculous...And if this continues that we move the discussion back to M-G where these kind of manuvres are not allowed. Because if this list as I think is becoming a cyber replica of a mini "bougeois" state with its enforcers in order to defend one particular clicks interests it definitely needs to be smashed! Warm Regards Bob Malecki ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check Out My HomePage where you can, Read or download the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! Or Get The Latest Issue of, COCKROACH, a zine for poor and working-class people http://www.algonet.se/~malecki Back issues of Cockroach and my book at http://www.kmf.org/malecki/ -------------------------------------------------------- --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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