Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 10:22:07 +0200 (MET DST)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (6)


Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (6)
[Posted: 16.07.97]

This is part of a debate on the Marxism-General mailing list
(M-G) managed by the Spoon Collective (see http://jefferson.
village.Virginia.EDU/~spoons/), and is also sent to newsgroups.


Generals (and you who're not yet on that list too),

In the postings in this series so far it hasn't been made all
that clear, I believe, how the first-mentioned person in the sub-
ject line, Ola Eriksson, Sweden, actually comes into the picture,
in the ongoing struggle. He no doubt is much less kown interna-
tionally than is his partner and "comrade", Adolfo Olaechea.

With two postings now I hope to inform everybody a little better
on this - that is, those at least who haven't already read one or
both of the two things that I'm now going to repost or forward.

What this struggle is all about, above all, is how Olaechea, the
relatively well-known purported "Mao Zedong adherent" and "ambas-
sador of the PCP", in reality most fanatically is combating Mao
Zedong's line and combating the just struggle of the PCP too. 

Separately, in the items (5) and (6) of the present series, which
will both have, first, this introductory text that I'm now writ-
ing in common, I shall reproduce respectively quote in full these
two things:

In item (5): My posting of 01.07: "Titbits from SiberiaSwamp (1):
             Olaechea's comrade in Sweden"

             Btw, that Titbits series hasn't gotten any further
             yet than just this posting. I hope to repair that.

In item (6)  A posting that Ola Eriksson himself sent to M-G on
             13.07 in reply to my item (4) in this series

             I'm quoting it in full in order above all to make
             it available to newsgroup readers too. I'd like to
             show everyone what Olaechea's close partner in the
             present conflict is saying. (There's one rather long
             quote from him in the "Titbits" item too.)


This item (6) thus continues with a long quote - which I don't
think there's any need to comment on; I offer the readers:

A POSTING BY OLA ERIKSSON TO M-G ON 13.07.97:

From: olae-AT-interact.se (Ola Eriksson)
To: marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: M-G: Re: Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (4)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 15:34:06 GMT


rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens) wrote:

Usually I don=B4t read Rolf Martens postings. Now he have
slandering against LeninList and me personally in about 20
newsgroups where I=B4m not connected, in about 15  postings, the
last two weeks, maybe longer. My internet connection haven=B4t
worked the last 3 month.

I don=B4t care; no one care about him. No one even read what Rolf
Martens is writing. I tried to write a letter to the moderator of
the spoon-list, but i noticed that there was no moderator on
marxism-general.

Not it=B4s time to say something;I guess.. Well, I=B4m not going to
start a debate with Rolf Martens, I don=B4t want to make people
belive that I am the same kind; only a fool will discuss with a
fool.

One should not participiate in debates with political maniacs.But
anyway I had to say something about this . Yes; i know; it=B4s a
stupidity to even answer him..

 I hope people who are reading this are going to show Rolf
Martens that they don=B4t accept such a behaviour.Propably many
readers of this posting allready told him their opinion..

>Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (4)
>This is part of a debate on the Marxism-General mailing list
>(M-G) managed by the Spoon Collective (see http://jefferson.
>village.Virginia.EDU/~spoons/), and is also sent to newsgroups.

Well, you have now distributed slander about me in about 20
international newsgroups and mailinglists. I have replied some
your postings here in swnet.politik, but obviously you  want to
avoid to be responsible for your slander, and write about my
person in newsgrops and mailinglists where i don=B4t participiate.
Some of the newsgroups you write in, can=B4t I reech from this
server, I hope you are satisfied.

>Generals - and other readers too (to whom I once more recommend,
>if you're interested in Marxism: get on that mailing list),

I also recomend that mailinglist, it=B4s a mailinglist where people
like rolf martens are writing. I hope everybody sometime are
going to be satisfied with their choice, even pettyborgeous
people like Rolf Martens, so he is going to stop slandering us.

>Olaechea wants a *fascist* dictatorship of the bourgeoisie,
>precisely like the one that existed in the Soviet Union from
>the 1960:s on and which was so sharply and so correctly repudia-
>ted by Mao Zedong.

Some month ago I warned the members of the LeninList about your
participiation. I wrote that you don=B4t prefer to call communists
"comrade", you usually call them "pig","nazi", "fascist" and so
on. I guess Adolfo now is glad that he recieved this information
in advance, now he don=B4t need to read your antisocialist point of
view inside our LeninList

>THE REVEALING ALLIANCE OLA ERIKSSON - OLA ECHEA

Rolf; you are a political maniac. This subjectline are typical
for your way of thinking. I don=B4t know Adolfo Olachea personally,
we even havent replied eech others postings in the LeninList yet.
I even havent read LeninList the last 2=BD month..

>That of course is also why, despite the fact that Olaechea tries
>to fool people into believing that he's a "Mao Zedong adherent",
>in the last weeks so very revealingly has joined forces with the
>single "tool" he's been able to find here in Sweden *against me*,
>the actual Mao Zedong adherent, nammely the ridiculous extreme
>propagandist of (former) Soviet social-imperialism, R--k-Ola
>Eriksson, Luel=E5.

I am not against maoism, nor any other leftist "ism". I am 80%
socialist and 100% marxist-Leninst. We are all one community, and
have 80% of our opinions as a common belive; trotskyist, maoists,
anarchists..

Everybody; exept You ! They expelled you from the
maoistorganization in stockholm, they expelled you from the
KPML(r); the expelled you from a lot of other organizations
because you are *hostile* against socialists.

>(On this, see for instance my posting on 01.07, "Titbits from
>SiberiaSwamp (1): Olaechea's comrade in Sweden". It contains a
>sample of Ola Eriksson's writings, railings against my line, to
>be precise, which I promise will give all readers a good laugh.)

You havent replied here in swnet.politik, obviously you are
slandering in newsgroups I can=B4t reech.

>Why, then, does Olaechea so bitterly hate, in particular, me?
>I'll get back to that question later.
No one Rolf, remember me ; no one hate you! One can not hate
shit, or call shit for "fascism".

>And GUESS WHO would be among the "AUTOCRATS" ruling that system!! =09
>Would I be totally wrong in presuming that this group, interna-
>tionally, would include Ola Eriksson, Sweden, and Ola Echea,
>UK?? What do you say, folks?
>Only, these silly bastards are dreaming, of course.
I don=B4t even understand what you are talking about. You are
writing slander about mee, in 20 newsgroups I doesnt=B4t
participiate in. This posting for exampe are crossposted in
eunet.politics, a newsgroup I cant reech, and also crossposted in
the spoon mailinglist, where i don=B4t participiate. As I said
before; Rolf you are a political maniac..

>THE INCA (OR SOCIAL-IMPERIALIST) "POST OFFICE" SYSTEM - RUN
>BY (OF COURSE) OLA ERIKSSON, OLA ECHEA AND THEIR FRIENDS
>(NO, YOU'RE *NOT* ALLOWED TO LAUGH! THE POSTMAN WILL COME
>AND GET YOU!)

unbelivable.. How glad I am today to show our comrades on our
LeninList that i didn=B4t accegerated when i adviced them to not
give you acces to our mailinglist. Rof;You are MAD !

>Yes, yes, Ola Echea, we all know that one - you people
>of the Chrushchev and Brezhnev type trying to pass off your
>actual or only hoped-for *fascist* dictatorship as a
>"dictatorship of the proletariat".

Rolf I guess you feel proud if I tell you that you are a thru
enemy to all socialists, and all socialist organisations.

Still I havent got an answer on my question here in swnet.
politik.

Tell us:

1) Does *anyone* call you "COMRADE" ?

2) Does ANY political party accept you as a member ?

3) Does even the conservative here in swnet.politik call you a
communist ?

>But so far, the postmen at least have *not* been given
>policemen's authority. You don't have to fear being woken
>up at 3 o'clock in the morning *by some "postmen"* and
>taken away to a concentration camp, such as you would no
>doubt be risking, if people like Ola Eriksson and Ola
>Echea would somehow be given state power.
Rolf Martens wrote 2=BD years ago that he had collected arms at
home, he said it=B4s necessary to use them at people like me.

>In the (fantasy) state of Ola Eriksson, Ola Echea etc,
>people in general would be treated, handled by these
>"postmasters", as *letters or packages*.
I don=B4t know what you are talking about, I have never discussed
ever about any kind of "postmasters" with you. But i guess that
all the people reading this understand that this is just a
imagination from a sick brain.

>Olachea is sceptical about old Pausey, thinking that he and
>his small party in Germany might want to "replace" *his*,
>Olaechea's "Inca tribe" as (the idiotically but actually
>hoped-for) "world leadership", that of the Ola Eriksson -
>Ola Echea (etc) revisionist "tribe", a "leadership" which
>Olaechea hopes to obtain by proclaiming comrade Gonzalo as
>"world Inca cult figure" (poor comrade Gonzalo, he certainly
>would not have wanted that!) and portraying that "cult
>figure", of course, as one "completely without faults".

fragment from a sick brain..

[So far the posting by Ola Eriksson to M-G on 13.07 - it did
break off at the point above.]



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