From: "Karl Carlile" <joseph-AT-indigo.ie> Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:24:05 +0000 Subject: M-G: (Fwd) [PEN-L:11165] censorship ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:18:05 -0700 (PDT) Reply-to: pen-l-AT-anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu From: James Devine <jdevine-AT-popmail.lmu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <pen-l-AT-anthrax.ecst.csuchico.edu> Subject: [PEN-L:11165] censorship Even though I prefer collective shunning as a way to deal with obnoxious characters who invade pen-l, I do not consider Michael Perelman's expulsion of Karl Carlisle from pen-l to be "censorship." It's Michael's living room and we're having (or trying to have) a serious intellectual discussion from a left-wing political perspective. Michael can kick out those who drool on his rug, put LSD in his punch, or start hitting his guests (you get the metaphor). It would be more like censorship if the person kicked out were polite but expressed deviant positions. But Karl does not fit that description. In any event, there are a lot of other discussion groups where Karl can express his gods-given right to free speech. Maybe eventually he'll learn how to be polite rather than deliberately provoking flame wars. Maybe eventually he'll get a life, so he won't have to be so deliberately provocative. Maybe he could set up his own web page so that people who are interested in his views can find out what they are. I hope that the folks who yell "censorship" also consider the daily newspaper or the other news outlets to be engaged in censorship. Every day, the editor of the L.A. TIMES (for example) decides that some stories and many letters to the editor shouldn't be published, often for the most corrupt reasons. "Jimmy" in pen-l solidarity, Jim Devine jdevine-AT-popmail.lmu.edu jim_devine-AT-compuserve.com Econ. Dept., Loyola Marymount Univ. 7900 Loyola Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90045-8410 USA 310/338-2948 (daytime, during workweek); FAX: 310/338-1950 "It takes a busload of faith to get by." -- Lou Reed. Yours etc., Karl --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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