Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:35:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens) Subject: M-G: Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (2) Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (2) [Posted: 11.07.97] This is part of a debate on the Marxism-General mailing list (M-G) managed by the Spoon Collective (see http://jefferson. village.Virginia.EDU/~spoons/), and is also sent to newsgroups. Generals, How nice! We're now, some of us, having a pretty good fight (again). There already has been one good result of it, namely, the phony "PCP ambassador" Adolfo Olaechea's completely expo- sing himself as a bourgeois swindler. Perhaps there'll be some more things that we can all learn from. It would be nice to have other people butt in too! In case you understand what it's all about, at least. I think you'll get a good idea about this if you read some of my recent postings, "UNITE Infos" #37, #38, and #39, but also others. The latest development in this, approximately triangular, fight so far is Olaechea's posting to M-G today under subject line "M-G: LeninList: 'Herr Klaus' is welcomed to expose his ideas". What's the main point of this posting? That's a somewhat in- structive thing, I think. I shall try to explain the reason too behind this main point of Olaechea's. I'm pretty certain of what that reason is. The main point is that Olaechea *wants to take the debate away* from M-G, where *all* can follow it and intervene, and confine it to the SiberiaSwamp - the so-called "Leninlist" of his and of his openly pro-social-imperialist and anti-Mao buddies, such as the riduclous Ola Eriksson and Swamp Kommandant Jim Hillier, which is characterized less by the fact of the pro-revisionism symbolism of its homepage than by the fact that against *one* particular person, namely, me, there is a *ban* on that list. I'm not allowed on that list, because I actually advocate and represent the line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong and, in par- ticular, have been exposing the reactionary and anti-Mao character of the "RIM Declaration" and am criticising the en- dorsement of the PCP of that document - in order also further to support the just struggle of the PCP, of course. But Dr Sendepause, or 'Herr Klaus' (i.e. the chairman of the *formerly* so excellent party in Germany the NE, which I had to criticize as now bourgeois in 1990), *he*'s welcome to write to that list, Ola Echea now says. "Herr Klaus" now - after several *hysterical outbursts* by Ola- echea against that writer's actually (it seems) quite correct criticism of certain weak points in the ideology of the founder of the PCP (in 1928), J.C. Mari=E1tegui, and not least against my support of that criticism and my drawing some conclusions from it - actually "is welcome to state his views"! What a nice change of mind, then, on Olaechea's part! First he got quite hysterical and wanted to have not only me but also Dr Sendepause confined to a "funny farm" (on 06.07). I commented on that on 08.07: "Ol' Adolfo's funny farm". And old Pausey later made a comment too, in a similar direction, to M-G on 10.07, which was actually more or less his *debut* as a Net debater, or actually, by the way, it was the entire "NE" editorial board that signed that one. Congratulations anyway! Olaechea came back with some more hysteria as late as yesterday too, 10.07, still talking of people who'd have "reason to fear the little men in white coats knocking the gates of their ivory towers" and thus one more time showing all who can read what an really nasty reactionary he is. That was the theme too of my brief posting (1) in this series. A series, btw, whose reference to the ridiculous and in himself unimportant Ola Eriksson, Sweden, perhaps isn't understood by all its readers - I mean, the reason why I'm bringing *that* person's name into it. I haven't made that very clear yet in the series itself, but you can see it in an earlier posting, "Titbits from SiberiaSwamp (1): Olaechea's comrade in Sweden", which I sent to M-G and to newsgroups on 01.07. Now why is Olaechea changing his tune completely into a more "reasonable"-sounding one and saying to Dr Sendepause "Please let's you and me talk a little, please come join us behind the - to 'someone' - closed doors of our SiberiaSwamp"? Because he realizes of course that with his former hysterical outbursts he's exposed himself very badly indeed, and is now hoping to "save himself" by getting some kind of *support* from Dr Sendepause - against me, above all. He's seen in the posting by old Pausey that this ex-comrade of mine *also* in reality is very much against the line that I'm representing. In what would such "support" consist, then? It would consist of Sendepause's consenting to discuss the matters with Olae- chea *only* behind that closed door, i.e., *not* by postings to M-G (also). I hope that Klaus (the present Dr Sendepause, whom I've known by that name since 1974) will not accept doing this; I hope he'll continue posting his things to M-G too. (Or, to be more exact perhaps, that his group, the Klasberries, will do so - the debate posting, as I noted above, was signed "NE editorial board".) Does this thing matter then? Well, a little bit anyway. Old Pausey so far at least has not sunk as low as has Olaechea. In this debate, he has reasoned with facts and not by invective (and has only lied once, concerning a matter that has to do with the conflict between me and the present "NE", but that's less important in this context). He obviously also has consi- derable knowledge of the matter that immediately touched off the debate, the question of Mari=E1tegui's line. Should he (or the "NE") consent to "closed doors only", that would mean his (or their) really teaming up *very* closely with the Ola Eriksson - Ola Echea (particularly) black gang. That's the main point I'd like to make in this posting. Sorry folks, I don't have all that much to say on the questions of line this time. I'm mainly just commenting on that *maoeuvering* on the part of a couple of various political forces (and relatively important forces too, becuse of their relative experience) that's taking place just now. Just one other thing I shall make a comment on: Both Olaechea and his Swamp Kommandant Jim Hillier (Ola Echea is just "Vice Kommandant" on that SiberiaSwamp) rather "hit the roof" because one thing that old Pausey wrote: That he, Olaechea, "was saying that he was a *representative* in the UK of the PCP in Peru". They called this "snitching" etc etc. And the fact is that Olaechea has *not* called himself a "representative" of the PCP. I, who know about this a little bit more than does old Pausey, have not, in my postings, called him such a "repre- sentative" either, but have referred to him as an "(unofficial) 'ambassador'" of the PCP. The argument by Jim H. and by Ola Echea was, that the latter might get into trouble with the UK authorities if thought to be a "PCP representative". On this, I'd just like to say that, having known Dr Sendepause for a long time at least in the past and having read his recent Net postings too, I *don't* think that it was his intention to create any trouble for Olaechea vis-a-vis the UK authorities. His term "representative" was probably used without his knowing more exactly *how* Olaechea in fact himself was presenting his status. Another matter is the fact that Olaechea in his postings some- times has been playing a kind of double game: On the one hand, he's said that he's *not* an official representative of the PCP. On the other, he's often been using the term "we", as meaning, "we, the PCP" - in order of course to try to gain authority and credibility as a purported "PCP speaker", which of course he's *not*. In fact, Olaechea obviously does *not* represent the PCP at all. Whatever may be the errors of that party in Peru, it should *not* be blamed for that person's really very nasty actions in recent weeks. Olaechea is just trying to take advantage of the imperialists massive manoeuvres to cut off the PCP in Peru from its real supporters and comrades in other countries, to pretend somehow that he has "PCP backing" which of course he has not. Far from "representing the PCP", Olaechea in fact is a *representative of the imperialists' massive encirclement-and- suppression activities against the PCP*, as many facts already have shown. To you people who're not on the M-G-list and might like to see what Olaechea actually wrote in this posting of his that I'm referring to here, I recommend a look at the list's archives, in which that posting will problably be included in a few days or so. Rolf M. --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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