File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9708, message 23


Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:43:42 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-G: The History of the Moderaters on new "Trotsky" FAQ list!


The History of the Moderaters on new "Trotsky" FAQ list!

Well, in order to be really honest and have everything out on the table 
(before we start) about the new "Trotskyist FAQ" list. I believe that I must 
point out a number of things in regards to the history of the central actors 
who set up or are running this new list. Naturally I hope that this is all 
in the past and we start a new page in the book. But.....

Not having any principled objections to the new "Trotsky FAQ" list, I would 
however certainly like to point out that the people running this new list 
certainly do have a history.  Although I do not have any objections to the 
new moderaters their historical record must be pointed out. Hopefully they 
really mean that this list is open to "all" Trotskyists. Naturally this has 
not been the case in the past. And in fact some of these people have a quite 
sordid history as being moderaters from the infamous "Unity" list. 

David Stevens claims he does not believe in a family of Trotskyism. But this 
is the second occassion he blocks with the right to polemize with the left. 
First going futher then the IG/LQB on the courts and cops in the Labor 
movement. Now blocking with the neo-Stalinist Menshevik hero Proyect...

I can't imagine what role you will play as one of the "moderaters"
of the new "Trotsky FAQ" list at Jefferson Village. I sent in my 
subscribtion by the way last night. And already I have recieved three answers.

1. I need a special code.

2. I need a *real* address.

3. Your request has been sent to the moderaters..

And I notice that the rules being sent out in fact strengthen the "family" 
of Trotskyism theory... With strict warnings to any "sectarians" being 
eliminated on pain of death. The funny thing about this rule as it has been 
applied. It is usually directed at those who have firm programatic positions.

But as I said I will wait and see what our new "FAQ" list at Jefferson 
Village actually does in practice. The last time around a list was created 
for so called "Trotskyist" people were turned away immediately at the door. 
Including myself. This was the infamous "unity" list. Which leads to another 
of the moderaters on the new "FAQ" list. 

Dondero! Unfortunately Dondero is a known member of the "hate" the 
Spartacists, hate the ICL league. And hardly has any kind of role as being 
neutral. He in fact led the charge of special rules on the "Unity" list to 
ban certain Trotskyists.Especially Spartacists.

Thirdly another charcter mentioned as playing a central role in this new 
creation is. J. Plant. Also a moderater of the infamous "unity" list who's 
main fame to claim was also banning "Trotskyists" from the "Unity" list.

The only one not as yet in the picture is the moderater of the "Unity" list 
and also of the Alt marxism list on USEnet..I bet he turns up also in this 
new "FAQ" list.. This one perhaps the most viscious of the three. He even 
tried to get and American in exile dumped from a server by going to his 
postmaster. Not for any crime by the way. In fact it was to get Malecki and 
the Sparts!

But knowing the history of the central figures of the new FAQ list at 
Jefferson village and how they have acted in cyberspace the last year,
of making it a point to ban certain Trotskyists, I am a bit sceptical of any 
kind of possibility that this list is nothing more then a new unity list 
where Trotskyists of a certain valor will either not allowed though the door 
or quickly removed if they dare open their mouths..Not to mention Stevens 
not once, but now twice blocking with the right in order to beat the 
anti-Spartacist drum. 

The only person so far who is involved in the moderation team, I have no 
qualms about is for Sally. She has always tried to be honest and act in a 
principled way. I hope she is not being drawn into a nest where once again 
the Hate Spartacist Leage gang do everything in their power to stop any kind 
of serious discussions on the history of Trotskyism.

But, because of the real history of the present figures running the 
operation and their close connection with the "Unity" list and its 
unprincipled practices of banning "Trotskyists" as well as others, including 
special rules in regards to certain people. their is to say the least and 
honest amount of skepticism at least on my part, until proven otherwise..

I must say that I have grave doubts about the new list and how it will work. 
Especially now realizing who and what the human material and their practices 
the last year especially in regards to the "Unity" list, being moved on to 
this new list.

1. Dondero as a moderater of the new list is historically a viscious 
anti-Spartacist. He was also a moderater on "Unity" that enforced the 
Malecki anti-Spart ban making it particuly clear his obvious hate of the ICL 
and being and ex-member.

2. Stevens has a history of blocking with the right to go after the left. 
Not once but twice now. He also was extremely active in endangering my 
family and Malecki with his "left" attack on Malecki's appeal and letters on 
the Vietnam stuff. Blocking also in this case with Sam W. and his infamous 
support of a known anti-communist on just alt. Trotsky!

3. J. Plant raised to sainthood because of his "Trotsky" homepage another of 
the moderaters of the infamous "Unity" list and especially hates Malecki and 
the Spartacists. He also made it a point that Malecki would only "over his 
dead body" be allowed on any list he was involved in. 

4. In the wings and not mentioned is another moderater of the "Unity" list, 
now moderater of Alt. Marxism. A proven, go to the Internet postmaster cop 
baiter, who set up an innocent American exile in order to get Malecki and 
the Sparts during his hitch as moderater of the "Unity" list..

Naturally one can hope that leopards change their spots, but it certainly is 
not yet scientifically proved. But as I said, I have no principled 
objections to the creation of this new list. And I wait to see how these 
"objective" pieces of human material are going to act in regards to this new 
list. And I will act accordingly..

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki
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