Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:50:55 -0400
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-G: COCKROACH! #84 (The "Black Piece of Shit" Debate..)


COCKROACH! #84(The "Black Piece of Shit" Debate..)

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1. Two letters and two replies in:
     "The Black Piece of Shit" Debate...
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I am sending the below by Proyect the neo Stalinist yellow journalist
and my reply to a number of lists in a Cockroach extra.As Proyect is 
accusing me of not only being a racist but (once again) a cop/agent in the 
pay of the government for my activities during the war in Vietnam. 

He now takes a new tact and implies that I am a racist. He does this by 
taking something I said entirely out of any kind of political context and 
argues the point that all blacks "humanbeings are equal".

Well I see a great big difference between lets say Jessie Jackson riding 
around in a big car drinking champagne or riding into a ghetto to cool 
things down when black people rightfully riot in protest of another black 
youth being cold bloodely murdered on the streets by the cops and begging 
for crumbs from the table of the Democratic Party and let's say black 
fighters like Abu Jamal, Geronimo Pratt or a black mother with five children 
om Welfare/workfare! 

Bob Malecki

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:08:02 -0400, Louis N Proyect <lnp3-AT-columbia.edu> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Robert Malecki wrote:
>
>> 
>> And I defend every word I have uttered in all my appeals, books and
>> cockroach..And will continue to do so. What else can one do? Only
>> their best!
>> 
>
>Malecki, you should never call somebody a "black piece of shit." All human
>beings are equal, no matter their skin color. I have never heard these
>sorts of words out of the mouth of a socialist. It surprises me that you
>evidently stand by them. You don't even say something like, "these were
>ugly words that came out when I lost my temper."
>
>People often call each other nasty things on the Internet in moments of
>extreme emotion, but they are usually words that do not have anything to
>do with someone's race or national origin. For example, when I called Tom
>Smith a "motherfucker", this was nothing more nor less than the sort of
>thing you would hear in a bar or a locker-room among men who lose their
>temper.
>
>But I have never made a racial slur. In fact the last time I heard a
>racial slur on the Internet was when the shadowy figure "Quispe" kept
>calling me a "Zionist", when everybody knew he was using this as an
>anti-Semitic slur. You have sunk to this level by calling somebody a
>"black piece of shit."
>
>Those words speak more about your character than all the calls to build
>Bolshevik-Leninist parties. These are the sorts of words one hears on
>Skinhead newsgroups, etc. You may call yourself a socialist, but I have
>never in my life heard someone on the left use such kinds of language. You
>are a frightening person.
>
>Louis Proyect

Proyect confesses to being a "locker room" sexist in the above letter. While 
politiely lecturing me about "black piece of shit" here and accusing me in 
another letter of almost being a cop for according to him it is only cops 
that would say such things. I wonder if Proyect has efer been near a black 
person. And it is also interesting that locker boy mother fuckers is OK but 
calling somebody a black piece of shit is a no no.. This in regards of him 
publically screaming "you motherfucker" at a political opponent recently on 
Usenet. One should note that this he only does when slumming on Usenet. On 
the "Marxists" list he tries to come off as a "red Professor" with his 
silver spoon stuck so far up his ass and would devise all kinds of special 
rules and table manners for poor and working class people to observe for 
having the priviledge of sitting at the same table..

Now to the "black piece of shit" debate. Actually the person I actually 
attacked was a white piece of shit defending the politics of those blacks 
who drink campaign at Democratic Party conferences while begging for crumbs 
from the table. He also was spitting on the heroic struggles of the Panthers 
and many other black militants who have payed very heavily in fighting for 
black liberation. He was spitting on the millions of poor and working class 
people who today in America the Democratic Party along with their Republican 
allies tell basically to starve to death through workfare/welfare, murder in 
cold blood with their cops and military, and put tens of thousands of poor 
people in jail in Racist America while the real criminals responsible ride 
around in Limos!

And it was in this context I thought he was using "White Noise" connected to 
the boot licking politics of the LP when it comes to the Democratic Party. I 
could not possibly have known that "White Noise" had something to do with a 
book written on American TV..As I have been living in exile for over 25 years.

And as far as calling blacks or whites names. Now naturally I was not raised 
in the finer schools like Proyect who only dared say mother fucker in the 
locker room along with the boys at the university.

I was raised on the streets of New York City partially because my step 
father was a drunken long shoreman (also a big piece of white shit) who beat 
the shit out of us all the time until we got big enough to put him down. I 
suggest reading the Chapter called "Night Court" which gives a quite 
descriptive account of this stuff. In fact like many poor and working class 
people one usually had a choice and it was not schol. It was go in the 
military or go to jail. For our generation that meant trying to wipe out the 
Vietnamese Revolution, its country and its people! Today it is the people of 
Iraq or Somalia so that the fatcats can turn a buck...Naturally these 
fatcats don't know what shit is they usually have people who are ordered to 
clean up their shit!

And blacks who become leading Democratic Party spokesman actually do shit on 
millions of black people. In my book they are black pieces of shit along 
with a lot of white pieces of shit who time and again betray poor and 
working class people. These are the same pieces of shit that sent a lot of 
poor people mostly black to Vietnam. They are the same pieces of shit that 
order cops and troops into the ghettoes and then come in their nice cars and 
tell everybody to calm down. Despite that the black rebellions in the 
ghettoes are usually kicked off by the cops indiscriminately coming in to 
the ghettoes and killing black people under the guise of law and order. They 
are far more then pieces of shit but in fact the deadly enemies of poor and 
working class people especially black people.

They have the blood of millions of black people on their hands. Everytime 
there is a ghetto riot and these people arrive in their nice cars to calm 
things down, help the police bring order usually after and unprovoked murder 
of blacks in the ghettoes...

Everytime these have sent a black boy to places like Vietnam to die for 
their middle class way of life...

Everytime these "black Democratic Party leaders" say to people cool it as 
the soup lines just get longer and longer under"Workfare/Welfare...

Reminds me not only what black and white pieces of shit are but the deadly 
enemy of all poor and working class people. The Democratic party and their 
Black leaders are not "Socialist" but lackeys of one of the twin 
bougeois/imperialist parties of America. The Democratic Party must be 
destroyed along with the Republican Party because they do not belong to the 
Socialist movement...They uphold a racist system in America as blacks fill 
the jails and get cold bloodely murdered in the streets of America if not 
sent off to the Vietnams,Iraq's and Somalia's of the world to do the dirty 
work of the ruling class..

Their role is to enslave black people and all poor and working class people! 
Devide and rule under the guise of being the friends of the victims of 
racist America and then go home to their middle and upper middle class lives 
until the are needed the next time around.

On the other side we have heroic black fighters like Jamal.Geronimo Pratt 
and many black Panthers who put their lives and families on the line and 
many were cold bloodely murdered in the streets of America..
There crimes were picking up a gun to defend black people and organize food 
and bread for poor people.

And it is on their side I stand proudly and firmly. Not on the side of the 
Jessie Jackson's of the world..

Proyect in fact is one of those charming people who is using this debate to 
defend blacks who's politics have put many a black child in and earlier 
grave or bodybag. From being sent of to Vietnam to be cold bloodely murdered 
in the streets of America or rottening in jail he defends ALL blacks despite 
that some of these blacks sold out to the two main parties of 
bougeois/imperialism in racist America. He perhaps wants to call them his 
Comrades. Well I don't..They are traitors surfing on champagme and crumbs 
from the political party and parties that enslave black people. They are 
doing this because they have left millions of blacks and poor and working 
class people behind them in order to enjoy a middle or upper middle class 
life in a surburb or fashionable part of down.

They have trampled on the skulles of millions of black people and poor and 
working class people in order to get their. there interests are not the 
interests of poor and working class people and especially black people. The 
existence and lifestyle depends on being yes men and women to a system that 
is racist to the core and historically has enslaved killed maimed and 
destroyed poor and working class people's lives. Not only in America but 
Vietnam, Iraq, Somalia where they both massacred and raped not only the 
peoples but devestated their countries!

All in the name of America the beautiful!

This debate reminds me of the feminist debate where women are all 
"sisters"..According to Proyect there are no black pieces or whiteof shit we 
are all brothers and sisters.. Bullshit!

There are pieces of shit in all colors and sexes of the population and what 
is important is in What political context one utters these words. If I was 
to go out and call anybody a black piece of shit period. Then one could make 
claims. But when I put this in a political context of sucking up to the 
Democratic Party of America to drink Champagne and beg for crumbs from the 
table connected to proudly standing on the side of heroic black militsants 
like Jamal and Pratt it is quite clear what kind of piece a shit I mean.

The only real mistake in the actual case was that this piece of shit turned 
out to be white..But he still wanted to piss on some of the great black 
fighters and their great struggles. I say once again I am on the side of the 
Jamals, the Geronimo Pratts and the millions of poor and working class 
people on this planet. Those who suck up to the bougeois imperialist parties 
of America to drink champagne and beg for crumbs from the table are pieces 
of shit in my book whether they be black or white..

Proyect says that I scare him. His ideas of being a cover in this case of LP 
advocates who are on their knees before the Democratic Party and the trade 
union bureacracy and more specific in this case blacks like Jessie Jackson 
and using my words not to point out that these people at best are and 
obstacle to freedom but to paint me up as a racist is really scary. Because 
he things like a liberal black or white of being one big happy family as 
long as you know your place as a slave and say "Yes Sir" at the right moment..

He defends a political line which means that millions of black people will 
continue to be murdered jailed and enslaved. His latest claim to fame was 
his uncritical support of the emperor in new clothes in the former Zaire in 
the form of Kabila. Who historically was a Stalinist and now has become the 
black spokesman and wheeler and dealer with the imperialist and colonialists 
who for centuries have drown Africa in blood and starvation. He open says 
that he would "never" utter the words of somebody being a black shit. But he 
sucks up to blacks who time and again sell out black people foe a place in 
the sun.

Another one of Proyect's infamous political lines is his ideas of a 
"Socialist" party based on Yankee Doodle patriotism which he was arguing a 
few months back and anybody who wants a copy of his drivel then and my reply 
can get it by writing to me. This was and exceptional piece of work on his 
part. Can you imagine blacks singing "Yankee Doodle" in and America that 
enslaves them historically and today basically with Workfare/Welfare say 
starve to death! When not shipping them off to the Vietnams of the world, 
murdering them in the streets are throwing them into jail to rot...

That my friends should really scare you! And this is also a political line 
that sees all blacks as pieces of shit to be enslaved. murdered and jailed. 
The only difference is that Proyect wants black people to sing "Yankee 
Doodle" as they march off to war, death row, jail or slow starvation in the 
ghettoes under Workfare/Welfare..

A real charming Neo Stalinist Yellow Journalist who uses cop/agent baiting 
and now accusations of Malecki being a racist..In reality his entire 
political line is to at best keep black and all poor and working class  
people in chains..

Warm Regards
Bob Malecki
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Proyect writes 
>You were arrested for
>stealing dynamite from construction sheds and planning to use it against
>employees of Cleveland Power and Light. You say that you were falsely
>accused, but you strike most people--including myself--as just the sort of
>person who would like to kill people who disagree with you. You, after
>all, come across like an utter madman. 

Does anyone have Proyects entire letter?

Dear list.

My computer crashed and I have been away and I see that I come back to
this list on the tail end of being attacked by the graying ex SWPer
Proyect now turned neo Stalinist Menshevik yellow journalist. Once
again the cop/agent stuff linked to Malecki being a potential killer
at best. Above and beyond that I am supose to be a racist! 

Obviously our neo stalinist  sounds more like a federal prosecuter
that any kind of leftist. He should be roundly condemned for trying to
set up people who face long prison terms on return to the U.S. But
according to Proyects reasoning I have not been in exile but on a long
payed vacation by the government. My book and appeal a front to
infiltrate the American left from exile and then kill them one by one
when we disagree! Christ I wonder why the FBI didn't think of that. 
And Proyect talks about people being "crazy"?

The truth is that Proyect hates me for exposing him for his bankrupt
politics. From is American model of "Yankee Doodle" Socialism to his
getting down on his knees and worshiping such charming ex-leftists
like Tariq Ali. From is tailing the popular front politics of the FLSN
to his being down on his knees for the emperor in new clothes in
Mobutu's Zaire his hero Kabila.. From his utterly Menshevik position
on the party question under the cover of writing long and boring
articles on Mr. Z. And finally his entire political tracjectory from
being a ex-member of the reformist SWP to today where he uses slander
and organizational manuvers on every list he is on to bash
Trotskyists. Just a viscious graying old man that is moving far to the
right and now today comes off like a Federal prosecuter. He will go in
to his grave foaming from the mouth, about his SWP scrapbook and
poster clue known as a cop/agent baiter..Well that is his choice!

And what really gets his goat is that I am now the European reporter
of "Straightfacts". And Malecki's mad ravings are being heard by far
more people then his little dying gang who find it neccessary to use
every trick in the book of lies,slanders, and cop/agent baiting as
Malecki prepares another radio program and another Cockroach!
Naturally the charge of racism by Proyect is linked to a discussion on
the LP list where someone started talking about "White Noise" rather
then my recent reports for straight facts on Sweden, Norway and now we
are planning a longer program on racism in Europe. 

In fact I was recently in contact with "Loenzo" who recently was
deported from Australia after much to do about cooperating on his now
starting radio station in the states. Unfortunately our politics was
so far apart from each other we could not come to agreement. But of
course he is free to use any of the stuff I produce on the question of
"racism" for his program.. So I take the "racists" slanders with a nip
of salt..Of course the first thing I would do upon returning to the
states would be to join in the defense of people like Jamal and many
other Panthers who were accused of "conspiracy" around the same time
as myself and others were. Perhaps Proyect sees us all as obvious
agents in the pay of the government. I wonder what would happen if
Proyect were to make the same accusations against the Panthers and the
weatherman as me. The SWP did come quite close to this back in those
days and refused to defend the weatherman and other more militant
activists. But I do not think that they went as far as Proyect does
today. 

Well, What can I say. My appeal and book speak for themselves. And as
I am still wanted bt the FBI for my activities during this period and
there are still a lot of people around that could be damaged by this
kind of stuff I must refrain from answering this stuff. 

And I defend every word I have uttered in all my appeals, books and
cockroach..And will continue to do so. What else can one do? Only
their best!

Warm regards
Bob Malecki
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