Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 01:33:41 -0400
Subject: M-G: COCKROACH! #9 1/2  (Fake Trotsky FAQ!)


COCKROACH! #9 1/2  (Fake Trotsky FAQ!)

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1. Fake Trotsky FAQ!

This issue of Cockroach is devoted to the fake Trotskyists on Alt. politics. 
socialism.trotsky who with their Stalinist modell of organisation in 
creating or trying to create the fake Trotsky FAQ list, backed up by petty 
bougeois middle class values and the fake Trotskyist politics of betrayal 
represented in the human material responsible and claiming to be 
"moderaters" of the list Stevens and Dondero..Communists can give no support 
to this FAQ or the fakers trying to set it up. In fact any serious 
trotskyist must roundly condemn this new list and the human material 
involved who are trying to use the ex "Unity" list Stalinist model as their 
guide to action...

On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 19:09:17 -0700, David Stevens 
<phylstevens-AT-worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Professor Hugh Rodwell's talents seem wasted 
>on the Trotsky Project discussion list. 
>
> Here's a guy who is so smart that he is already
>willing to advise us why not to do stupid things
>nobody even thought of yet. (Think of Bob Malecki
>with a spell checker).
>
> I'd like to invite Cde Rodwell out here into the
>light of alt.politics.socialism.trotsky, since an
>audience of forty cloistered around a Spoons list
>to do some work isn't Hugh's idea of a good time.
>
> Here in a.p.s.t., you can spit on the floor and 
>call the cat a bastard. (I need to point this out
>to a denizen of the adademic lists whose only post
>this year to Usenet was to a Kiwi newsgroup). This
>is the ideal environment for conversations about
>bootlicking, or even goatfucking. Any denunications
>of a T-P moderator posted to this newsgroup, if one
>should choose to do so, would reach a substantially
>wider audience than the T-P list itself. (Personally,
>I consider that an advantage). Perhaps Hugh will even
>do us the courtesy of using a public archive like
>www.dejanews.com to acquaint himself with previous
>discussions on topic, such as the Stephen Diamond
>series "FAQ Claque" which commenced 6 August 1997.
>
> To comrades of a.p.s.t. unacquainted with Hugh, 
>I ask that they show him their customary patience.
>He really is a lot faster than Malecki, and has
>a better sense of irony, if not humor.
> 
> Nobody is perfect. Professor Rodwell strikes me as
>the sort of politically irrelevant namecaller who
>might call somebody a headmaster, much as Louis
>Proyect might denounce somebody for being a middle
>class dilettante. But give him a chance, okay?
>
> Speaking of bootlicking, what about Nahuel Moreno
>and General Peron? 
>
>- David Stevens

Anybody who questions the little click running the so called Trotskyist FAQ 
list and especially the Stalinist Stevens with his organisational model 
backed up by the viscious anti Spart Dondero
immediately get the poison pen and possible threat of the axe.

I bet the private letters from Dondero giving Stevens the background on the 
organisational manuvres to ban people on the old "Unity" list is the basis 
for this attack. Dondero knows well that Hugh and others on principle 
pointed out what the moderaters of the "unity" list were up to with their 
bureaucratic bans and "special" rules. Now we are seeing a reprise of 
exactly the same thing that happened on the "unity" list. In fact the same 
actors doing the same Stalinist garbage and using the Trotsky FAQ list to 
exclude Trotskyists or people who say that they are Trotskyists.

Although it is Stevens rather then Dondero and Plant holding in the public 
Stalinist axe! The truth is that these people are terrified of somebody 
walking in and pointing out what these people in real life under the name of 
Trotskyism are doing. For example Dondero is supporting a party which is 
backing up the Italian army bayonettes in Albania and the recent expose on 
the viscios and cold blooded war crimes carried out by the Italian army in 
Somalia. Stevens who's main fame to claim is that he belongs to no party at 
all but defends at best or biggest pricksizes at his homepage and the right 
of the middle class to smoke pot. Naturally Stevens personalist campaigns on 
pricksize and for the middle class to smoke pot are defensible whereas 
Dondero's liquidation of Trotskyism in regards to cleaning up the reputation 
of the Italian imperialist army is not. But both agree on their Stalinist 
organisational model of running the Trotsky FAQ list.

Yes Hugh openly admits that he belongs to the Morenoites and politically we 
have some very big differences. The latest is the question of the ex Soviet 
Union. But Hugh Rodwell is also a principled fighter for his politics. He 
does not hide behind organisational manuvres like Stevens does as the little 
piss off Bonaparte dictatorship of this fake FAQ with Dondero pulling his 
strings in the background!

Stevens is a political coward along with his opportunist pal Dondero who use 
Stalinist bans and special rules in order to run any operation they appear 
to be involved in.

To call this piece of shit that Dondereo and Stevens are running a "Trotsky 
FAQ" is to piss on the ABC's of Trotskyism on the workers democracy question 
under the guise of building some middle class norm.
Where the real activities and politics of the moderaters are "Verboten" on 
pain of expulsion. As if a Trotskyist FAQ can be disconnected from concrete 
political handling. But also ruin the picture and idealist notion of the 
whole project which in fact wants to creat the illusion that all groups 
calling themselves Trotskyist are a big family.. It is the Stevens/Dondero 
version of the Hitler "big lie" version of politics. 

In fact it is so clear where Stevens is coming from. First he goes after the 
uppity "Professor" Rodwell only to a couple of sentences later go after poor 
and working class trash like Malecki who need a "spellchecker". This is 
Stevens real world. Sort of the middle class ideal or prototype of American 
soapbox operas. Stevens your middle class pants are being draw down and 
exposed to the world!

No intellectuals from the higher school of education and no prolos to 
destroy their little fucking dream world of what they think a FAQ shoukld 
be.. And definitely and Internet creation to fool the present human material 
who have and Internet connection..

The Dr Quinn of this list has exposed himself once again. You are a real 
digusting piece of middle class shit Stevens. And your in the background 
backstabbing pal Dondero who is pulling your strings and probably your other 
pal Plant whom you adore with his Menshevik revision of the Transitional 
program and alllso ex moderater of the infamous "Unity" list is involved in 
this shot. 

So what we have is a couple of renegafes from Trotskyist and you the middle 
class homepage builder who think that "pricksize" is the fundemental 
contradiction facing poor and working class people today running the Fake 
Trotsky FAQ list. And doing it exactly in the way the "Unity" list was run. 
Through bureaucratic bans and now threats against people like Hugh who if 
they don't straigthen up will certainly be dumped by these people..

In fact just like the "Unity" list the only sign that can be hung up around 
this Trotsky FAQ is poor and working class people don't bother!

Down with the fake Trotsky FAQ and the fake Trotskyists who's history on 
Internet has been the Stalinist model of organisation for everything that 
they have tried to create and failed to do. New leftist half assed middle 
class intellectuals who don't want their cozy little turf and toes stepped on..

Sally if you are still involved in this shit. Then I demand you make a clear 
statement on the activities of the moderaters. There bans and now the attack 
on Hugh for daring to suggest something to the FAQ.
Which immediately led to Stevens with Dondero in the wings to publish a 
letter which clearly is a WARNING to everybody that it is Stevens and 
Dondero who are running the operatiion and anybody who dares step on their 
toes will immediately be exposed to threads and a middle class version of 
trashing..

Your silence puts you right in the middle of this fake Trotskyist swamp who 
are using the FAQ as and organisational tool to defend there own political 
and middleclass values. Without a public answer from you in the next week or 
so then I shall put you on the list as one of the supporters of and in 
reality ANTI TROTSKYIST FAQ that these characters really represent.. This 
goes for Faatz with two A's whom I think is involved in this stuff.. 

Bob Malecki and Cockroach say that the Trotsky FAQ group on USenet Alt. 
politics. trotsky is nothing for poor and working class people to bother 
over. The people running the list are both traitors to the fundemental ideas 
of Trotsky and in the final analisist are using the Stalinist organisational 
model in order to enforce their rule of what Trotskyism is all about.

The only serious demand to make is destroy this fake FAQ which is and 
obstacle to any kind of serious discussion and the task of reforging the 
Fourth International..

Down with the fake Trotskyist FAQ list!
Down with Stalinist exclusionism!
Destroy these fakers politically!

Warm regards and without a spellchecker (!)
As if Proletarian revolution has something to do with Stevens petty bougeois 
middle class ideals. And if the Russian revolution started off with the 
slogan of bread (did they spell it write Stevens) perhaps the American 
Proletarian revolution will start of with the slogan of "fucking bread" but 
according to Stevens middle class values we will have to run it through a 
spellchecker first!

And finally a personal note Stevens take your middle class ideology and 
"pricksizes" and stick em up your ass.. Because you and Dondero will not be 
in the Vanguard but just and obstacle to poor and working class people in 
their struggle for power.. In fact at best you will be the future Stalinist 
bureaucrats of a future proletarian revolution ready to behead it with your 
Stalinist organisational model---In fact the Stalinist bureaucracy was just 
the middle skikt like yourselves who feared the masses in motion and had to 
find away to destroy proletarian democracy in their own interests...

Bob Malecki
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