Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 19:22:15 +0200 (MET DST)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: Re: M-G: The Czar and his Censors


Just a word (again) Gerald - who wrote the below:

Welcome to the open air of M-G.

Rolf M.

>> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
>> From: louisgodena-AT-ids.net (Louis R Godena)
>> Subject: M-I: A note to the list
>> 
>> To marxism-international:
>> 
>> Jerry Levy is going to be sitting this one out for a few days.  After
>> threatening to start a flame war on m-i
>
>I didn't "threaten to start a flame war." The basic point of "bombs away!"
>was that *you* were threatening the list by your violation of list rules
>and preferential treatment of a friend and non-subscriber. The reason the
>thread was called "bombs away!" was because that was what *you* were doing
>to m-int when you forwarded the spam from another list. Moreover, many
>others have protested your conduct in this matter and you, wearing the
>Imperial Robe of Co-Moderator, have decided to ignore them.
>
>> (*sans*, apparently, any type of
>> political content) he was dropped into the nopost file.
>
>What is "political content"? From my perspective, the entire content of my
>posts were political. Is it then apolitical when someone challenges the
>hypocritical and unprincipled behavior of individuals calling themselves
>"Marxist"?  
>
>>  He is still
>> subscribed to the list, and is still receiving messages.  His messages to
>> m-i, on the other hand, are being forwarded directly to the moderators, who
>> will forward those with political content to the list.  Those purely of a
>> personal nature will be returned to Mr Levy.
>
>Mocking history, the moderators are now acting the role of the both Czar
>and the Czar's censors. *They* will now decide what posts have "political
>content" and what posts do not.  They will decide what constitutes posts
>"of a purely personal nature" despite the claims of the author. And they
>have decided that such censorship should -- for now -- only be directed
>against one individual. 
>
>> Mr Levy is free to decide whether he wishes to participate *politically* on
>> the m-i mailing list, or whether his personal agonistes take precedence over
>> the political concerns of marxism-international.
>
>I decided that my *political* participation should include a defense of
>Bob M (and Hugh and Dave B) against the outrageous and malicious charge that
>they are US government agents.
>
>What happened to the person making that charge -- in violation of list
>rules? Well ... everyone knows on m-int that list rules don't apply to
>Proyect. Everyone has also seen Czar Louis G "bend" (i.e. blow apart) the
>list rules for his own benefit.
>  
>> List members are reminded that forwarding posts from a suspended member (one
>> who has been barred from posting directly, like Jerry Levy) is grounds for
>> temporary suspension.  It will be enforced.
>
>
>                       *Welcome to the Gulag!* 
>
>Here are the rules:
>
>1. If you say anything we don't like we will label it as "not political"
>and suspend you (but we won't have the common courtesy to tell you first
>that you have been suspended).
>
>2. If anyone else speaks on behalf of a suspended prisoner or is observed
>showing other prisoners messages from that person, then they will be
>"suspended" as well.
>
>3. Anyone who protests this or any other action or statement by the Camp
>Commandant (and Czar) will be "suspended."
>
>4. The Commandant (and Czar) reserve the right to be hypocritical and
>unprincipled.
>
>> I, for one, have had enough.
>
>So have I.  
>
>Jerry
>
>
>
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