File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9710, message 219


Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:48:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Siddharth Chatterjee <siddhart-AT-mailbox.syr.edu>
Subject: Re: M-TH: Re: M-G: Free Speech




On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Gerald Levy wrote:

> Siddharth Chatterjee wrote:
> 
> > Let us remember that your expulsion was provoked by you
> > suddenly surfacing and then immediately homing in on Louis P and calling
> > him an "It" (meaning an insect).
> 
> Again you get the facts wrong: I was notified that my posts were being
> censored (+ suspended + expelled) after I complained about the conduct of
> Louis G. This can be verified by an examination of the archives and the
> timeline.


This whole business began after you started flaming Louis P in a post that
I reproduce below. This had nothing to do with your complaining about
Louis G's conduct. As is evident now, Gay Harley (the other moderator)
agrees with the decision because you VIOLATED the rules of the list.
That you should now try to confuse people as to the main reason of why
you were expelled - that is, squeeze out of a tight corner by pointing
a finger at someone else's behavior (like a thief who, when caught, hurls
the word "thief" at others), is a eloquent testimony to your "integrity".

<snip>

> 
> > By the way, I wonder what Malcolm X would have thought of your
> > efforts and wishes at getting a seat at the table.
> 
> Why don't you ask him, Siddharth? You also might want to ask why
> African-Americans and women wanted jobs where there was systematic
> discrimination and membership in organizations dominated by racists and
> sexists? Or maybe they should have forgotten about those jobs and
> organizations and, as individuals, issued a leaflet which said "Revolution
> NOW!"? 

It is hilarious that you seem to be comparing yourself with  the
plight of African-Americans to whom racist discrimination and persecution
is meted out daily in this society. It is simply amazing and you are once
again trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Malcolm X's comments
about "integration-mad" people in the civil rights movement were aimed
at the intellectuals and other bourgeois elements in the movement whose
primary motive was to obtain a seat at the table of the
white "massas". This does not oppose or denigrate in any way the
general struggle for civil and human rights. Once again, a "Levyathan"
trick to disorient people!  


> [Do you think that everyone on this list has no memory? Do you think that
> everyone here is so stupid so as not to remember what you said? Have you
> forgotten that we have archives?]
> 
> Let me refresh your memory. You (and others) will recall that you very
> loudly denounced me for using a de-humanizing word ("It") to refer to a
> well-known pro-management snitch. Well ... Doug in recent days has used a
> plethora of dehumanizing epithets to refer to (among others) Hugh, Dave B,
> and Bob M. So ... why haven't you denounced him for committing the same
> crime that you denounced me for? There is a very simple answer: you are a
> hypocritical Stalinoid.
> 
> Jerry
> 

So what words did Doug use? I remember one of them, an "automaton" to
describe Rodwell, Malecki & co., a description since they continuously
recycle the same old trash again and again, very much like programmed
robots. And what about the endless insults and baiting from you
and your friends ("Stalinist, Stalinoid, Menshevik, neo-Stalinist,
syphillis of worker's movement, Czar", etc, etc.). And you yourself
above call me a "hypocritical Stalinoid"; do you think that this is also
a "dehumanizing epithet"?

Ah, you will say; "these are all political descriptions" (like a scoundrel
trying to seek refuge in politics instead of patriotism). So at what
point does a political description turn into a personal insult? I enclose
below your original attack on Louis P. Let the good people on these lists
judge whether it falls into a political category or into something else.

Sid

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On Tue, 14 Oct 1997, Gerald Levy wrote:

> (2)
> > From: It <lnp3-AT-columbia.edu>
> > Subject: M-I: Stooping to Levy's level
> > Jerry Levy
> > is a destructive troll and you are stooping to his level.
> 
> Look who's talking!
> 
> The last time I stooped to It's level was over the weekend in Central
> Park. There, in the ritzy Upper West Side, I saw It in the flesh! The "It
> sighting" occurred after I picked up a moss-encrusted stone. Underneath
> the rock -- squirming around -- was It: the s----h itself ... still
> claiming that Bob M is a FBI agent. 
> 
> Jerry 
> 




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