From: mim3-AT-mim.org
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:01:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: M-G: MIM sweeps away assorted rubbish



I want to say something though about your attitude to things with
"-aristocracy" added to the end. Lenin's use of the phrase
"labor-aristocracy"  did not mean they were outside the class struggle
or that they were written off for all time. You people would do with a
real serious re-study of "Left-Wing Communism: an INFANTILE disorder"! 

H. Gary

MIM replies:

When the scum claiming Marxism on this list is not busy spreading
idealism, it has to attack materialism. 

If you read Marx and Engels, you will see that a portion of
the bourgeoisie goes over to the side of the revolution at the
last minute. So by H. Gary's foolish reasoning, we would
cast aside our materialist analysis of the conflict we
are in NOW (not in the afterlife) AND according to H. Gary's
line of reasoning we would not write off the capitalist class,
because a portion will go over to revolution. 

Expressed now in the context we are in,
the above line is pro-imperialist and white nationalist.
Expressed by oppressed nationals, it is a capitulationist
line. Imagine Mao saying, "don't write off those Japanese
troops! They'll come around eventually." China would still
be under occupation. The way those Japanese come around to
Mao is by having their asses kicked out of China just like
the only way the U$ masses come around is by getting their
asses kicked out of Vietnam and learn some respect!

The principal contradiction in the world is between imperialism and
oppressed nations. That is the conflict we are in NOW.  What is
ultraleft is counting on allies that are NOT there.  The ultraleft
overestimates something's potential and then gets the movement smashed
by counting on things invented in FANTASY. Those of us with proletarian
leanings following Adolfo Olaechea can see an example of this. He just
OVERESTIMATED the potential of the English labor aristocracy and labor
bureaucracy and got himself booted out of the Leninlist. Of course, that
was his aim anyway, given his class stance, but those of us watching
could have imagined otherwise: we can imagine how a proletarian outcome
would have appeared. Meanwhile, MIM goes forth into concrete struggle
with experience and a line for imperialist conditions. 

Since the labor-aristocracy produces no surplus-value,
the system comes closer to crisis the bigger the
labor-aristocracy gets. Of course, the 95 percent scum
on this list don't know what surplus-value is anyway
and don't care.

*****************************
Fergal Finnegan:
They are fallen and worthless because the silly tardy
masses have yet to embrace the truths of mao. What bollocks !.

MIM replies:
No, we at MIM are Leninists. And Leninists believe that
you are passing off the responsibility of Irish republican
leadership for adopting a SCIENTIFIC outlook, namely
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism. We Leninists never said that the
masses would embrace communism spontaneously. There
has to be a party. But as ITALICS How the Irish Became
White END points out , the Irish republican leadership faced with
a growing Amerika has set about catering to it. Since
Amerika is flaming anti-communist, the Irish republican
leadership tones down the communism instead of mobilizing
for a proletarian struggle.

**************************************

Fergal Finnegan:
  Too many capitalised letters is never a good sign. I
really should of simply deleted this example of MIM's ideological and
intellectual poverty.

MIM replies:
Then you would have deleted a lot of Marx and Lenin too.
In case you didn't notice: this is Marxism Space,
not soc.culture.visit-the-queen.

You learned that sort of knee-jerk response from good
petty-bourgeois class instructors. Which class has
an interest in everything proceeding in an even tone?
Which class would like everyone to believe there is
nothing to be alarmed by? Which class says there is
no crisis to resolve? You've been brainwashed,
by the bourgeoisie and petty-bourgeois activists
who believe that "effective" means "appealing
to the bourgeoisie." We Marxists speak for the angry,
as the scientists of revolution. We are flying a 
red banner for the oppressed and exploited to follow.

************************************

Fergal F. again:
Stop blaming the working classes for the irrelevancy of your politics
with your crude theories of a global labour aristocracy and think 
about why your form of Maoism is so illsuited to describing
and furthering the class struggle where you live or anywhere else
for that matter. 

MIM3 replies: Maoism is well-suited for the world's 80 percent.
If it is not well-suited for "the class struggle," you must
be referring to the class struggle of the imperialists and
bought-off workers against the oppressed nad exploited.
You and most of Marxism Space are so concerned about not
hurting the crackers' feelings. That is why you throw
out the scientific truth. You only degrade Marxism. Your petty-bourgeois
whining has unleashed a class struggle for sure--a struggle of the
imperialists to put more on your plate and buy you out.

"I have sown dragon seeds and harvested fleas."

***********************************

F.F. again:
of course you could always retire to your bedroom and admire
the chairman's coy little smile and continue on the same as ever.

MIM3 replies:
I doubt that no matter what line MIM had you or 99% of this list
would meet MIM's membership requirements. You are too busy whining
about effective revolutionaries and watching "All In the Family"
re-runs--literally.




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