File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9711, message 22


Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:34:56 +0100 (MET)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: Re: M-G: Adolfo Olaechea and Leninlist


mimimim wrote, on 3.11,

and just some brief comments

>[The following is an essay from Peruvian exile Adolfo
>Olaechea. MIM comments follow.]
>
>TWO KINDS OF DICTATORSHIP IN LENINLIST - PROLETARIAN AND BOURGEOIS -
>REVOLUTIONARY AND REACTIONARY
>
>It is convenient to set-out publically the revolutionary position
>regarding the events in LeninList,

>[MIM3-AT-mim.org replies: Oh, poor, poor Adolfo Olaechea purged
>MIM from LeninList in June, 1997 while retaining open Khruschevites
>and others best-described as anarchists. Now the swamp has
>found him too swampy and it wants a real split based on Cuba! So
>now Adolfo Olaechea is purged.]

Swamp swamp it was/is. I on my part wasn't allowed in to begin
with, since I advocated the line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong.
I pointed out the character of that list, as shown by this and
other things.
>
>The aims and principles upon which LeninList was originally founded
>clearly implied - and spelled out - the firm revolutionary compromise of a
>panel of 6 moderators to uphold the principles of the United Front and to

>
>[MIM3-AT-mim.org: What a laugh! Adolfo Olaechea means that Maoism
>is revisionism. That's why he tossed MIM and kept Khruschevites.]

Yes. But mimimim doesn't represent Mao's line either.

>It is now an unquestionable fact that of all the moderators who undertook
>this solemn revolutionary compromise, only J. Hillier has betrayed it.  In

Hahaha - as I already said before. That list was a SiberiaSwamp from
the start.

>>-- 
>>Jim
>
>And thus Caesar Hillier "crossed his Rubicon" and went on likewise to
>establish a dictatorship in his bogus and illegitimate version of
>LeninList.  He recruited for this purpose every resentful loser and
>opportunist "Triumvir" he could lay his hands on: J. Blaut, K.McKinsey,
>Alan Dover. 
>
>[MIM3 replies: Yes, Jim, you made a mistake! Take back Adolfo
>Olaechea! Bridges can be built in a day in this year of 1997.
>Caeasar didn't have these advantages!]
>
>People who had not contributed an iota to the original struggle to set up
>the LeninList, but who were mere subscribers representing no political
>force other than their own base conspirational ambitions and whose
>contributions to LeninList itself had consisted basically of a collection
>of obscure mumblings designed to throw shadows upon the light of Marxist
>understanding. 
>
>[MIM3 replies: So Adolfo Olaechea admits he spent his time
>with people casting shawdows on Marxism.]
>
>What kind of dictatorship is this that Hillier has taken upon himself in
>the manner of a Praetorian Guard invested "purpurate Emperor"? 
>
>It is a bourgeois, reactionary and fascistic dictatorship aimed against
>the revolutionaries, the proletariat and the people.  It is a Khruschevite
>style dictatorship of revisionism aimed against Marxism, aimed against
>LeninList and geared towards the restoration of the bogus "marxist swamp". 
>
>[MIM3: Sorry Adolfo Olaechea; no one is going to believe your
>complaints about Khruschevism now. You tossed MIM in favor of the
>Khruschevites in June. You are a little late to make this discovery.
>Either way, by not recognizing it or by conciliating with it after you
>have understood it, you stand exposed.]

Now, mimimim, what did *you* say in March-April-June, when I was
banned, on the grounds mentioned above, and was attacking that
which you now say is a swamp?

Correct reply: Nothing.
.......

(A lot of stuff can then be snipped)

And now comes the assessment of Olaechea by mimimim:

>[MIM3 replies:
> Mao
>said there was a role for people like Adolfo Olaechea at this
>stage of the Peruvian Revolution,...


Like hell he did! Mao always *combated* such people, once
they had been found out, most implacably. There's no place
for such people at any stage in any revolution, only a
place for them always in every counter-revolution.

> but we must not allow him to
>confuse the Maoist ranks.]

And not allow the mimimim to do so either.

Rolf M.



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