File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9712, message 109


Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 02:15:12 +0100 (MET)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: UNITE! Info #43en: 2/6 Ola E-son & Ola Echea - eech!


UNITE! Info #43en: 2/6 Ola E-son & Ola Echea - eech!
[Posted: 19.07.97]

[Continued from part 1/6]


Ola Eriksson & Ola Echea - eech! (2)
[Posted: 11.07.97]

This is part of a debate on the Marxism-General mailing list
(M-G) managed by the Spoon Collective (see http://jefferson.
village.Virginia.EDU/~spoons/), and is also sent to newsgroups.

Generals,

How nice! We're now, some of us, having a pretty good fight
(again). There already has been one good result of it, namely,
the phony "PCP ambassador" Adolfo Olaechea's completely expo-
sing himself as a bourgeois swindler. Perhaps there'll be some
more things that we can all learn from.

It would be nice to have other people butt in too! In case
you understand what it's all about, at least. I think you'll
get a good idea about this if you read some of my recent
postings, "UNITE Infos" #37, #38, and #39, but also others.

The latest development in this, approximately triangular,
fight so far is Olaechea's posting to M-G today under subject
line "M-G: LeninList: 'Herr Klaus' is welcomed to expose his
ideas".

What's the main point of this posting? That's a somewhat in-
structive thing, I think. I shall try to explain the reason
too behind this main point of Olaechea's. I'm pretty certain
of what that reason is.

The main point is that Olaechea *wants to take the debate away*
from M-G, where *all* can follow it and intervene, and confine
it to the SiberiaSwamp - the so-called "Leninlist" of his and
of his openly pro-social-imperialist and anti-Mao buddies, such
as the ridiculous Ola Eriksson and Swamp Kommandant Jim Hillier,
which is characterized less by the fact of the pro-revisionism
symbolism of its homepage than by the fact that against *one*
particular person, namely, me, there is a *ban* on that list.

I'm not allowed on that list, because I actually advocate and
represent the line of Marx, Lenin and Mao Zedong and, in par-
ticular, have been exposing the reactionary and anti-Mao
character of the "RIM Declaration" and am criticising the en-
dorsement of the PCP of that document - in order also further
to support the just struggle of the PCP, of course.

But Dr Sendepause, or 'Herr Klaus' (i.e. the chairman of the
*formerly* so excellent party in Germany the NE, which I had
to criticize as now bourgeois in 1990), *he*'s welcome to write
to that list, Ola Echea now says.

"Herr Klaus" now - after several *hysterical outbursts* by Ola-
echea against that writer's actually (it seems) quite correct
criticism of certain weak points in the ideology of the founder
of the PCP (in 1928), J.C. Mari=E1tegui, and not least against my
support of that criticism and my drawing some conclusions from
it - actually "is welcome to state his views"!

What a nice change of mind, then, on Olaechea's part! First
he got quite hysterical and wanted to have not only me but
also Dr Sendepause confined to a "funny farm" (on 06.07).

I commented on that on 08.07: "Ol' Adolfo's funny farm". And
old Pausey later made a comment too, in a similar direction, to
M-G on 10.07, which was actually more or less his *debut* as a
Net debater, or actually, by the way, it was the entire "NE"
editorial board that signed that one. Congratulations anyway!

Olaechea came back with some more hysteria as late as yesterday
too, 10.07, still talking of people who'd have "reason to fear
the little men in white coats knocking the gates of their
ivory towers" and thus one more time showing all who can read
what a really nasty reactionary he is. That was the theme
too of my brief posting (1) in this series.

A series, btw, whose reference to the ridiculous and in himself
unimportant Ola Eriksson, Sweden, perhaps isn't understood by
all its readers - I mean, the reason why I'm bringing *that*
person's name into it. I haven't made that very clear yet in
the series itself, but you can see it in an earlier posting,
"Titbits from SiberiaSwamp (1): Olaechea's comrade in Sweden",
which I sent to M-G and to newsgroups on 01.07. 

Now why is Olaechea changing his tune completely into a more
"reasonable"-sounding one and saying to Dr Sendepause "Please
let's you and me talk a little, please come join us behind the
- to 'someone' - closed doors of our SiberiaSwamp"?

Because he realizes of course that with his former hysterical
outbursts he's exposed himself very badly indeed, and is now
hoping to "save himself" by getting some kind of *support*
from Dr Sendepause - against me, above all. He's seen in the
posting by old Pausey that this ex-comrade of mine *also* in
reality is very much against the line that I'm representing.

In what would such "support" consist, then? It would consist
of Sendepause's consenting to discuss the matters with Olae-
chea *only* behind that closed door, i.e., *not* by postings
to M-G (also).

I hope that Klaus (the present Dr Sendepause, whom I've known
by that name since 1974) will not accept doing this; I hope
he'll continue posting his things to M-G too. (Or, to be more
exact perhaps, that his group, the Klasberries, will do so -
the debate posting, as I noted above, was signed "NE editorial
board".)

Does this thing matter then? Well, a little bit anyway. Old
Pausey so far at least has not sunk as low as has Olaechea.
In this debate, he has reasoned with facts and not by invective
(and has only lied once, concerning a matter that has to do
with the conflict between me and the present "NE", but that's
less important in this context). He obviously also has consi-
derable knowledge of the matter that immediately touched off
the debate, the question of Mari=E1tegui's line.

Should he (or the "NE") consent to "closed doors only", that
would mean his (or their) really teaming up *very* closely
with the Ola Eriksson - Ola Echea (particularly) black gang.

That's the main point I'd like to make in this posting.

Sorry folks, I don't have all that much to say on the questions
of line this time. I'm mainly just commenting on that
*maoeuvering* on the part of a couple of various political
forces (and relatively important forces too, becuse of their
relative experience) that's taking place just now.

Just one other thing I shall make a comment on: Both Olaechea
and his Swamp Kommandant Jim Hillier (Ola Echea is just "Vice
Kommandant" on that SiberiaSwamp) rather "hit the roof" because
of one thing that old Pausey wrote: That he, Olaechea, "was
saying that he was a *representative* in the UK of the PCP in
Peru".

They called this "snitching" etc etc. And the fact is that
Olaechea has *not* called himself a "representative" of the
PCP. I, who know about this a little bit more than does old
Pausey, have not, in my postings, called him such a "repre-
sentative" either, but have referred to him as an "(unofficial)
'ambassador'" of the PCP. The argument by Jim H. and by Ola
Echea was, that the latter might get into trouble with the UK
authorities if thought to be a "PCP representative".

On this, I'd just like to say that, having known Dr Sendepause
for a long time at least in the past and having read his recent
Net postings too, I *don't* think that it was his intention to
create any trouble for Olaechea vis-a-vis the UK authorities.
His term "representative" was probably used without his knowing
more exactly *how* Olaechea in fact himself was presenting his
status.

Another matter is the fact that Olaechea in his postings some-
times has been playing a kind of double game: On the one hand,
he's said that he's *not* an official representative of the
PCP. On the other, he's often been using the term "we", as
meaning, "we, the PCP" - in order of course to try to gain
authority and credibility as a purported "PCP speaker", which
of course he's *not*.

In fact, Olaechea obviously does *not* represent the PCP at
all. Whatever may be the errors of that party in Peru, it
should *not* be blamed for that person's really very nasty
actions in recent weeks. Olaechea is just trying to take
advantage of the imperialists' massive manoeuvres to cut off
the PCP in Peru from its real supporters and comrades in other
countries, to pretend somehow that he has "PCP backing" which
of course he has not.

Far from "representing the PCP", Olaechea in fact is a
*representative of the imperialists' massive encirclement-and-
suppression activities against the PCP*, as many facts already
have shown.

To you people who're not on the M-G-list and might like to see
what Olaechea actually wrote in this posting of his that I'm
referring to here, I recommend a look at the list's archives,
in which that posting will problably be included in a few
days or so.

Rolf M.

[Continued in part 3/6]



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