File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9712, message 317


Date: Thu, 18 Dec 1997 11:40:58 -0500
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: Re: M-G: Expulsion request 3


>I request the expulsion of Robert Malecki on the grounds of persistent
>violation of net etiquette in that, without permission of the authors, he
>takes correspondence from lists in marxism-space and distributes it
>throughout the internet.

I see Buford is starting with his organizational manuvers again to get a 
number of people removed from M-G. I think that Chris would do much better 
to argue the political content of the "Zines" concerned then talking about 
table manners..

In fact there is a list where Chris can go that accepts his kind of 
arguements. But the arguements that Chris makes of "net ettiquet" only exist 
in his mind and are directed at certain people whom he politically disagrees 
with. He never takes up the question of someone posting New York times 
articles without asking authors..

I oppose any bans on M-G including the darling Chris and his faith in the 
new Social democracy of tony blair and the middle class. I also think there 
are certain people which could be banned from this lists. Fascists being a 
good example.

In fact Chris the latest *real* provacation came from you by putting to 
question not Liam's political material he sends to the list, but the fact 
that he might use a number of different addresses. 

And I think that Liam should continue to send his material to the list with 
out any fucking secret code in order to read it. Just as I will defend the 
right of our list Maoist "Rolf" sending his garbage to the list or the MIM 
or anyone else who thinks he or she has something to say in the interests of 
poor and working class people.

Since when have these open lists  and the material sent to them become the 
"private" property of the sender? This is a public debate and the material 
can and should be spread to as many people as possible who are interested in 
reading it.

It has nothing to do with the personal whims or table manners dreamed up by 
Chris. But discussions which are both vital and necessary for political clarity.
I suggest that Chris use his head and his keyboard to answer with political 
arguements rather then bans and exclusions.

These kinds of tactics are worthy of political gangsters and cowards who 
fear arguing openly, publically and at times heatedly around questions that 
are vital for poor and working class people. 

I also oppose Liam's counter purposal of banning Buford. Because it is 
falling into the same trap that Buford is setting up for his political 
opponents. That is rather then open and honest discussions--bans and 
purges--in order to avoid discussing political issues..

And if Buford is so concerned about the quality and form of the 
contributions rather then political content, I suggest he crawl back to M-I 
with his Stalinist pals who are experts on these kinds of organizational 
manuvers.

M-G is a list open to all with the exception of fascists. So if you don't 
like it leave..And take you whining elsewhere. Or wight something political 
rather then questioning the motives of what other people are doing here.

And you still haven't replied to the "victim" question Chris..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki



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