File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1997/marxism-general.9712, message 352


Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 00:03:18 +0000
From: Chris Burford <cburford-AT-gn.apc.org>
Subject: M-G: Last example of unsolicited private mail


Up to now I have received only three examples of unsolicited private mail
from the Flynn, Murray, Phelan group: 

one purporting to come from Charlotte Kates and asking "Who is Thomas
Murray?"; 

the third was the post from LRF that I returned to the list, when I dared
to ask why the name changed from Liam Flynn;

and the second  was in response to a mail I sent to m-international. I do
not recall the name of Roger Phelan contributing to that list before that
time though exactly around this time he forwarded two posts from Liam Flynn
to m-international.

Although I have been challenged on a number of points in posts over the
last few months about Ireland on the list, to challenge me in private in
such a crass way was a form of harrassment which could contribute nothing
to the life of the list.

It seems to me that these are probably two or at the most three people
working together under various pseudonyms and list addresses to create
drama, mystery, confusion and incomprehensible discord. Whether they have
any coherent political position, and if so why they would want to promote
it by creating so much distrust in their motives, is as yet unclear to me.
Perhaps they would like to clarify politically what they agree on and what
their differences are, if they have not already been expelled.

I think this is better analysed in terms of ecology. A new invader to an
eco-system can make more headway against rivals if it has a method for
weakening them or making them use up their energy unproductively. They do
this by tangling people up in confusing private mail, including
intimidating references to lawyers. I think the remedy is to return all
unsolicited private mails to this list openly, to expose what is going on
and to increase the pressure for their expulsion.


Chris Burford

London.

_________________________________________________________________


To: cburford-AT-gn.apc.org
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:57:44 -0800
Subject: Re: M-I: Adams in Downing Street
X-Mailer: Juno 1.49
From: rphelan1-AT-juno.com (Roger C Phelan)

Are you anti Irish ?


R.C.Phelan

On Thu, 11 Dec 1997 23:11:38 +0000 Chris Burford <cburford-AT-gn.apc.org>
writes:
>The much heralded, and impact discounted, visit by Gerry Adams to 
>Downing
>Street, plus handshake with Tony Blair, took place today.
>
>The background includes some gestures about transfer of Irish 
>prisoners to
>Ireland, and reforms of the Royal Ulster Constabulary (but at present 
>not
>in name).
>
>McGuiness has recently indicated publically that the Republican 
>movement
>should not expect a united Ireland to come out of these talks. 
>
>The peace process seems to be moving forward.
>
>My impression is that Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are comparing
>themselves with the ANC and Nelson Mandela. 
>
>Comments?
>
>Chris Burford
>
>London.
>
>
>
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