From: mim3-AT-mim.org Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:09:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: M-G: Nakived reviews MIM Theory #11: Section 10 [The following is a review of MIM Theory #11, page 15- "Amerikan Fascism and Prisons." For your own copy, send $6 to MIM, PO Box 3576, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-3576 MIM comments below are in brackets.] MT11: Nakived response 10 The New Middle Class, Dutt on revolutionary versus reactionary. YES, YES, YES!!! And you can see the WHITEs he's talking about in the Birch Society, skin heads, neo Nazis. SHOULD BE proles, but ARE NOT proles. Lewontin's [Richard Lewontin is an important progressive biologist--mim3] analysis is that they ARE proles, whether they realize it (YET!) or not. YET is a big word, MIM. Consider that the west started to capitalize/imperialize oh, say around 1600? How long was PHAROAH in charge? Oh, about 4 THOUSAND years? How long was imperial China imperialist? 4 thousand years? And the middle eastern sheikdoms and khanates? The west has just gotten started, as I POINTED OUT in "Pentalectical Materialism." [MIM3 replies: We have an on-going argument with Nakived on why we use concepts that are good for maybe a hundred or three hundred years and not thousands of years at a time. In Nakived's arguments we see things that are supposedly timelessly true used against MIM. The concept of mode of production is missing from Nakived.] Not only that, but the west is on shakey ground with resources running out: I mean, imperialism is in its end game BECAUSE agriculture is in it end game. Put it together. [MIM3 replies: The agriculture line of Nakived's is not shared by MIM. However, we do like the idea of pointing to the birth of classes and reminding people that for most of humyn history, humyns were indeed communist. To say it is humyn nature otherwise is to forget most of history.] I think the analysis is VERY good and it tells you what tends to happen so is it an analysis of a theory or just more statements of given facts? But you yourself call it the WHITE labor aristo and, well, there's the answer to why it tends to go RIGHT wing in the USA all the time. Take a look at the formerly huge Aryan Nations of Metzger, his platform, his line. Some of these Nazis are outright socialists but RACIAL socialists. But the Aryan Nations includes Amerinds and Armenians and Turks and such people as this in it that speak English. I'd go so far to say that the ethnic component of Aryan Nations (I refer to the group here that used to be big until big power SMASHED the hell out of it and yeah, everyone noticed!) is very similar to the ethnic grouping of the USSR with and including even a Tataric element if you consider the S. Europeans, E. Europeans, English speaking Hispanics and even Amerinds in their group. As Metzger said, his definition of what "white" is, is MUCH BROADER than the nordic-loving pipe dreaming do- nothing nazi groups out there. The analysis also of some of their more egg-heady socialists is IDENTICAL to yours, almost word for word (do they copy MIM?) except that for "imperialist" they put ZOG and for The People they put WHITE people. [MIM3 replies: Unfortunately some prison administrators and others have concluded MIM is a "hate group." One chimpanzee running a prison read an article of ours criticizing the KKK and concluded we were a "hate group" too. (Yes, the greens are right that I just insulted chimpanzees.) To speak of race and national groups the way MIM does is to risk such confusion in individualist Amerika.] Consider some of the really radical red groups in the USA that aren't "like a bible study class" as X put it, or like flower carrying peaniks as I imagine Y sees in Denmark. They were LIKE the Panthers: loud, threatening AND NON-WHITE. It is the racial component of the USA that determines whether or not the whites go right or left, I know it. KNOW it. This is something I know, it's not a theory. Not only that, but these formerly BIG Nazi groups support the Pace Amendment along with some blacks: it gives blacks a nation and separates them from everyone else. I'd also suggest you look at some of the data these types of Nazi groups have since it is names, dates and facts too. I disagree on one ground only: that the Jewish component in this imperialist ZOG set up are COMPRADORS, but you have to admit after seeing it, there are an AWFUL LOT of Jews involved, an AWFUL LOT! [MIM3 replies: With over 500 million people in imperialist countries, we'd expect a ruling class of 5 million. There could be an "AWFUL LOT" of Jews in 5 million and they'd still be a tiny minority. What the Nazis and most of the scum occupying "Marxism Space" have in common is the need to leave things vague. A precise quantification would leave little room for their white chauvinist views.] This extends to the Brit East India Company and things like that. It covers William of Orange and WHO he let into England, and it covers the World Bank and such notables as Rothschild and such folks. It extends to the curious fact that the USA is pro Israel and has been such despite LOSS to big capitalists. It would benefit the capitalists to have sided WITH those Arabs instead. It is curious. OK? I see them as compradors, but they DO have a LOT OF INFLUENCE! [MIM3 replies: MIM does not see "compradors." Rather we see Israel as imperialist and we see Jews incorporated in the dominant nation of the U$A.] Z, who IS Jewish, has noticed this all his life and as an agent of the ADL he was once assigned to "block bust" that is, move black families into white neighborhoods - which in turn caused white flight. Did they do this to forcibly integrate a community that did not want social integration with blacks, or did they do this to drive property value down, buy up cheap property and then sell it at a profit while selling newer property to the fleeing whites? Good question. [MIM3 replies: this is misleading. Unless Z had tanks and guns, Z was not forcibly integrating anyone. Using the word "forcibly" in such contexts is white whining, meant to take away the significance of violence that is real and applied to the Third World by imperialism.] Don't dismiss these Aryan nations types because they have VERY convincing data and it appeals to the one thing communism does not appeal to: THE EMOTIONS and EMOTE- reaction. Dutt doesn't realize that reactionary behavior comes with EMOTE reactive feelings, short term for sure, as I said in Pentalectical Materialism. In taking a closer look at the components of Aryan Nations, one finds what we all found and what Wayne (who is a real Aryan in appearance) noticed: NONE of these people are Aryans, MOST of them are the same ethnics that white America used to consider non-white, lots of Irish, S. and E. Europeans and even others who are REALLY non-white. The lilly waspy types always used to be peacenik liberal types and anti-Nazi! Curious! They all might get into the fantasy of German Nazi Aryanism, comparing their racial pedigrees, but the more serious minded of them say that this is a load of bullshit! The USSR was primarily a kind of homogenous group of people, despite what Stalin defined as nation using location, language and culture (by that token, Jews are NOT a Nation at all). Jews themselves, however, tend to consider themselves a People as if Jewish IS their nationality or ethnic group no matter what language they speak or where they live. I'd say that how a people regards THEMSELVES is more important than someone else's definition of what a nation is. The Aryan Nations regard Jews as a nation, the RULING nation, the hand behind the imperialists. They see Jewish power and money as having turned the USSR into a pasturland of slaves and they feel Jews want to do this to the USA. Are they irrational? Well, they have their dates, names and facts, too. I still tend to see Jewish compradors, but I have to wonder sometimes when I am confronted with the evidence: is it ANGLO COMPRADORS instead?! [MIM3 replies: What evidence? Again, where there is ignorance, this sort of idea will sprout up. That is why MIM is very precise and leaves nothing to chance.] Germany went Nazi, you call it fascism. National SOCIALISM is not the same as fascism, you know. The people living there had it GOOD under Hitler until he went too far. Tho you all insist on seeing his expansionist behavior as profit motivated when it was not, even IF profits would also be had, maybe, maybe not, in taking the land of the Slavs from them. I'd appreaciate it if you could PRINT the post I mailed you on israel/Arab and it was word by word dictated (composed by) X. [This essay Nakived refers to was too pro-Israel for MIM to bother commenting on--mim3.] I could not have written it, I don't know ANY of those facts he dictated. I have common sense, however: I don't see WHY the USA's capitalists who deal in oil would bother lifting a finger FOR Israel. They have everything to gain siding with the Arabs and everything to lose siding with Israel and everyone sees this clearly: which makes what the Aryan Nations have to say about ZOG even MORE convincing! Americans pretty much see it in a very kind of no-think, feel it out, way. ALL the other ethnics here, say from Russia these days, they will learn English and blend in like the Italians did, like the other E. Europeans did, or the first wave of Cubans that came here. Look how these people VOTE for a clue. They do not feel kinship or unity with non whites and by that I mean BLATANTLY non-white types like the blacks or blatant Hispanics that refuse to speak English. They just don't feel this and nothing is going to change this since it's been tried already. No one suggests that we put Russian speaking teachers in the public schools to help Russian children learn. Or any other nationality. But for the Hispanics, this is demanded. This serves to isolate these Hispanics and seems like special treatment for them. For this reason I'm dead against your line on this. [MIM3: This is pretty much re-statement of the fact that Nakived does not agree with MIM on the principal contradiction--the question of what strggle to focus on to bring the greatest progress.] The issues are complex if you make them complex. They are simple the way I see them. True, in seeing it this way I tend to side step the UBIQUITOUS BIG New World Order but fighting that is a BIG BIG thing, too big for any one group. Or even any TEN groups. You forget that Bush bombed Iraq, no war was declared, no one on top even knew why he did it! No one could have stopped him, including all of Europe combined. They don't mind France having the nuke bomb but fear Iraq getting it. I have to wonder why since both recent world wars involved the EUROPEAN nations against each other. Yes, reaction is what happens in Europe and America but it did NOT happen in Russia under Lenin or with Mao in China. Consider the types of people in the two areas, then. This is where our gang tends to get DEEPER UNDERNEATH the outer circumstances than any red analysts do. The NATURE of the people in Europe and the USA is what we talk about. A NATURE molded by environment over centuries, and culture. I notice what you fail to notice: the ones who went revolutionary and socialist were Turanian type people, or MOSTLY so; the ones who go reactionary are Aryan type people or MOSTLY so. That is, you'll find a minority Aryan group in revolution and a minority Turanian group in reaction. This is NOTICEABLE. There were no blacks in the USSR or in China but I know what happened when both nations sought to bring some over from Africa. China is well known, the students rioted. In the USSR some blacks went missing and when the snow thawed out they found them: heads bashed in and dead. We got to hear about the blacks in China due to the BIG riot it caused and there was a lot of news about it: it WAS NOT about some black guy dating a girl either -- that's bullshit. But you WON'T get to hear about the similar thing in the USSR due to the closed curtain over that society. This kind of thing seems to go on INDEPENDENT of the imperialist's who rule with the only exception being the Aryan Nation line that the ruling hand over these imperialists are Jews. Many Jews were in the limelight as leaders of movements for these UNWANTED minorities, including the gays. Strange? I think so. Did these Jews seek to help them or did they plan to get everyone else raging pissed and pissed enough to eventually turn against all these minorities enough to end up in a right wing republican party? Someone got rich causing all this strife all in the name of "trying to get everyone to ACCEPT someone." I don't believe this is an accident when it was SO PREDICTABLE that this super polarization would happen IF these "liberals" continued to do this kind of thing. W's idea is that they were emotionally BLINDED to these realities, realities that threaten to make everyone BELIEVE what Hitler said about Jews! Do you imagine for a minute that this is some far out, fringe view? I hear it from the most NON OBVIOUS people every fucking day! I hear it from non political people, I hear it also from BLACKS big time (Farakhan believes it!) This is a real perception here, Goldhagan might say it is as delusional as was the Germans' perception but I see that perhaps some Jews do not realize that they do things to MAKE people perceive these things. You can NOT dismiss this; it is in the culture here, it is EVERYWHERE in the culture here. Jews, having no nation since the Romans caused their diaspora, and persecuted by xians everywhere, they get into a society and they DO INDEED do things to rise to the top, one way or the other. They then try to INFLUENCE the society so as to secure for themselvees MORE safety but that is the very thing that turns everyone against them and makes manifest their own worst fears! By doing this inside of a stable culture, they are messing WITH that culture and this is felt and perceived by everyone: it was perceived by the ancient Egyptians too! People TURN anti-Jewish when before they were not. They are indeed in the forefront of [MIM3 replies: What people does not strive for itself in class society? This is an anti-materialist view to even imply otherwise of non-Jews.] internationalism (leftist type) and why? Well, they have no nation (didn't used to) and so they'd be safe in such a world, as in the USSR they were safe. They preach tolerance and acceptance and end up in the forefront with a lot of INFLUENCE in movements SUCH AS the women's, gay's and the NAACP (which was FOUNDED BY a Jew!) Did someone think that they could make happen here as happened in the USSR? That is, minority groups unite and fight the white power structure? Not even the white power structure, but just plain old whites. It backfired. The perception is that the Jews used the blacks primarily, like BULLETS from a gun, to come to the forefront and attack what everyone else wanted and force down people's throats what no one wanted: social integration with blacks. The Civil Rights movement was not about women or gays as this is perceived, blacks were in the front, LIKE bullets from a gun. Looks like the bullets have turned against the holders of that gun: behold Farrakhan! Hispanics, gays, blacks and now Jews, they are NOT united at all but Jews and many gays are the richest of these groups. These people have ended up isolated and judged by the PERCEPTIONS that everyone else has, not just the white power structure, but EVERYONE ELSE, including those would-be proles from the vast number of other ethnic groups. I know exactly what turned everyone against the gays: the fanatical insistence on teaching 2nd grade kids how to suck dick and get fucked in the asshole. THAT is what did it. Everyone was willing to live and let live but this was going WAY TOO FAR. It was obvious then, that these gays did NOT want "just" equal opportunity and protection under law. They wanted ACCEPTANCE from people who'd rather not even know what they do in bed, or what anyone else does in bed. Why did they go so far? WHO LED THEM: go find out! I dare you! They didn't accept THEMSELVES -- and that's WHY people do such things. [MIM3: Ack, now you are really carrying your Archie Bunker imitation too far. If 2nd graders received no heterosexual re-inforcement from stories told about adults, then you would be right. Telling these kids stories about gays/lesbians just as they are told stories about heterosexual princes and princesses is nothing at all. It is only the irrational Christians here who speak the way you do on this.] You know, the people everyone is talking about, white or accepted-white Americans, could sort of go left wing and try to set up Communism or even a type of Communism like Krushchev or Deng had where they'd BE the apparatchik themselves: but they DO NOT DO THIS EITHER. OK, you have to see what other things these white semi-proles DO NOT do or opt for. You can clearly see what they DO: look how they vote, look at the referendums they get in lately. This is not the imperialists doing this, these are the man in the street white folks (all ethnics themselves) who are doing this! Sure, I know this is exactly what J. Sakai is saying and the PROOF of Sakai is in the reality you can see right now. I read Sakai's book wondering what the hell was in it that I'm supposed to "find out." Like uh, I GOT EYES AND EARS and I also live here and I'm always INSIDE myself WHERE I am: i.e., I'm aware. So then I must ask you, what the hell are the other Communist groups in the USA arguing with you for? Perhaps it's the approach. If you claimed the grass was green, would they argue this? As I said, the approach: You accuse these people of buying into the imperialists, or being petty boorjwah. Their perception is of another kind, one of solidarity but solidarity with WHOM THEY WISH TO BE UNITED WITH and I do not mean the imperialists that no one ever gets to even meet or see or EAT LUNCH WITH; I mean people they don't mind, or choose, BEING WITH at a work place, or in a community or neighborhood. OK? Is this a KIND of racism? Sure it is, but no it's not! i.e., BOTH. Do you deal with it or do you just try to eradicate this thing which is NOT genetic, but which IS PHENOTYPICAL and exists EVERYWHERE you go AS IF IT MIGHT AS WELL BE "human nature." Do you deal with it? No, Reds have consistently FAILED to deal with it and liberals, many claiming to be as Red as MIM, have made it WORSE than ever. One could say that racism didn't exist in CHINA either until Africans got there. HA!!! Touche! I say there is NO dealing with it and the "it" is a non-issue. So long as ECONOMIC equality and LEGAL equality is there, NO ONE can make you live next to a person or eat with that person and like it. How do nations GET naturally formed? First there is freedom of congregation and when enough of LIKE PEOPLE get into the place they GET ALONG: hence you GET a nation. What I used to see all the time was white Reds from homogenous countries "questioning" the racism in the USA, or some mid-western peacenik whites questioning it when they didn't grow up in a racially mixed city at all. HUH. It doesn't take any of these people LONG to join the ranks of the racists: I notice that TOO. Reds have a neat trick to side step this carnal reality: they get into the BIG picture of the imperialists, contrast them to "the oppressed, mostly non-whites," and either try to include the white workers or exclude them like if they particularly care one way or the other if you include them or exclude them, especially since most of the "whites" Sakai talks about aren't even white by THOSE DEFINITIONS back then during the TIME he is writing about them. That's COP OUT. It solves NOTHING. There are some things that can't BE solved by force or arms even. Integration of one particularly VERY DIFFERENT looking group in the USA is one of those things. Where Dutt cites petit boorjwah, slum proles and demoralized working class bolstered by big industry, he means then and there: GERMANY. Transport this to here: middle class types, skinhead scum types, metal heads, all that, and those working to make ends meet. This segment does NOT perceive itself bolstered by big industry which is moving out to hire cheap NON WHITE labor. This segment here, fascist for sure, perceives big industry as controlled industry (by ZOG or some other powerful group) and they perceive Communists as being all PRO the forces against them; that is, non-whites taking jobs from them, and blacks ruining their neighborhoods and ruining all the cities. THAT is the perception HERE, get a clue! THIS is the base of ALL anti- communism here which imagines that commies are resonsible for the welfare system and just TRY to talk them out of that conviction! HA! I have heard it a MILLION times: "The Reds have a great idea and a great line, but every damned time some black is on death row for murder, they have to cry tears for him." And yes, THIS ALONE is enough to turn people away from anything LEFT wing, translate that to "communism, socialism, etc." THESE are the perceptions and until Reds deal with these and fix these they'll persist and turn the MAJORITY of people here against Communism. W himself sees your group as an anti white party and says to tell you, if you keep up like this you'll never win. I say that MIM is aware of this. Ok then, MIM doesn't want to win? That is incomprehensible to W (and to me! that's why I see MIM as PRIMARILY like the gang from COS we have: all talk, theory, ideas, tho the gang never set out to BE anything more than this or claim to be more: we DO enhance clarity and where it goes from us is anyone's guess). The gang is a gang with the Eros for KNOWLEDGE, MIM. Understand that. What they'll each turn out to be or become later is anyone's guess. You NEVER KNOW. [MIM3 replies: Anyone who has read even 10 pages of our lit should know MIM holds faith in the vast majority of the world. Yes, that means if the cracker wants to resist progress, let him. We aren't going to change the communist party to cater to him/her and his/her parasitism. That is the only materialist way to unite the international proletariat and win. However, Nakived has already expressed in previous letters doubt that the entire Third World combined could beat U$ imperialism. Obviously if MIM were wrong about Mao's theory of protracted People's War, MIM would be wrong overall.] Think about the picture painting bum who never had a job. He became Hitler. And the other, a poor boy from a seminary no less, from a poverty stricken family and no father at home. He became Stalin. You NEVER KNOW what people will become and often, they themselves don't know! Next article in MT11 is on prison system and such, yet the oppressor class, as you put it, is NOT getting much lately and losing a lot. Ahem! I'll have to be vague here: from the mouths of people, NKVD people that were here in the USA and not due to ... how to say... not due to any falling out with the Soviet system... they used to say in private: "Put them in labor gangs, the usa used to have chain gangs doing work. Jail in america is like a hotel or sex club." Now, that's quite an opposite view from what you put forth about jail in the USA, yet these same people said the SAME things YOU all say when talking about the injustice system because they knew (and you know) that CRIMINALS make the BEST revolutionaries and if the object is to SMASH this country....then SMASH IT they'll surely try to do -- and if they can do stuff to make laws so real evidence gets "thrown out of court" or enable 10 time offending criminals to get loose, they'll do it (did it). Now come on. The Cold war was this KIND of war: let us see who can WRECK the other person's country. Don't you understand LONG term strategy? THINK AGAIN about those doing things to "help" the racial minorities here: don't you think the "best in the world" could figure out what I know about the strange physical revulsion people tend to feel around lots of blacks? Don't you think the "best in the world" KNEW what forced integration would CREATE HERE? If I could predict this in 1963 for Joe's sakes, if everyone, LITERALLY EVERY PERSON I knew, KNEW this would happen, don't you think the "best in the world" KNEW IT? I suspect everything, MIM. Take, eg, the Guatemalan tragedy, what United Fruit did by pulling STUPID American strings. Why did they go SO FAR with this, long after they got their way? Or did they? What BETTER way to turn more of the world against the USA? HA! By the time this kind of cold war shit was going on, you had TWO IMPERIALIST SUPER POWERS vying for control. It was NO LONGER a case of honest communist versus savage capitalist. A lot of shit got funded BY KRUSHCHEV and the ONLY thing anyone with a brain could foresee from all this "do good" shit was something WORSE coming out of it and we were 100% RIGHT. And sorry, no, I can't PROVE any of it and whatever else. Keep in mind, there were those above mentioned that HATED Krushchev and were considered part of the "Beria Circle" as it was called. I.e., Stalinists, TRUE believers. They did not want K to wreck the USA nor did they want the American spies to wreck their homeland -- but BOTH got wrecked, one seemingly worse than the other but don't forget, what is happening in the xUSSR was PREDICTED as a kind of plot and I heard this with my own two ears. What are they up to? I don't know. But I know, KNOW, that the KGB is NOT the NKVD and the two were and are as different as night and day. Everything you see wrong with this country now, the inner city, the blacks gone deranged like lunatics, the pornography to the nth degree of bath-houses, the unsafe conditions due to rampant crime, the WHOLE MESS, everything you see is BLAMED on Communists: GET IT? No one is blaming Stalinists. They call them Communists or sometimes they call them liberals. And if one tenth of this kind of shit ever happened under Stalin, oh, phew, he'd have CLEANED HOUSE fast. And do you guess WHY this perception is rampant? One name: KRUSHCHEV. HE FUNDED SO MUCH of this and how can I prove this? There HAS to be proof somewhere since many people KNEW it. I have to wonder then since I BELIEVE K was an agent --- perhaps there is some secret government or gang that did all of this, from Krushchev, the CIA, and to the MESS the USA is in with polarization rampant. The ONLY sign of revolution I see on the horizon is coming from right-wing, predominantly white (but not exclusively) CHRISTIANS out there. WHO ARE these imperialists? WHO? How many of them are there? They BUY presidents (Clinton or anyone else) and they control the whole mess and want to control the world. WHO ARE THEY? NAMES! In many ways this is primarily due to that ever rolling ball that keeps rolling as it plays upon the WORST, most BASE characteristics of humankind. Yet no one I know wants anyone to starve, no one wants war, no one I know wants to hurt anyone and profit from doing this. I know a lot of people! DO YOU know anyone who wants this? I mean, one on one, don't let's get into BIG things and confuse anyone. Yet, people just go to work, make ends meet, and somehow, by their very doing this, they HURT OTHERS. You live in the USA and work here: you do it too; we all do. MIM, XX worked for Wackenhut for awhile down here as an ARMED security guard. His pay was $5.00 per hour. NO benefits, NO paid holidays or sick days. They switched his hours from day shift to night shift and he fell asleep on the job: and lost it. [MIM has addressed this sort of argument statistically. What don't you get about it? Why do you keep quoting these vague stories instead of figuring out what is representative? We don't need to hear about your persynal friend from days before the minimum wage went up. We need to see you address what portion of the society actually lives at minimum wage and how long.] It is odd, one of the pictures of the future I painted for you early on was of the prison camp society: the elite, the guards, and the prisoners. Hmmm. Profit in prisoners: not good. Yes, we see the loopholes in the business about slave labor only being legal in the usa with imprisoned people. The two together add up to an obvious picture: profit in making jails, but jails need prisoners to keep running, so GET prisoners and then hire them out as slave labor. Obvious. I believe you might have allies against this from the Birch society types and they are all in the xian right wing republican stuff the last I looked. GOT ANY IDEA what a benefit to freedom from TOTAL imperialism that 666 hula is? Xians will be your best allies against that HR666 bill. Next, they'll be "marking" people so we can all know who is safe or not. Xian superstitious Beast stuff. Maybe if this job ever bombs out, I apply for job as security guard with Wackenhut, distribute MIM notes to my prisoners! HA!! TOO much. I do believe that's a dangerous kind of job to have, no? Yes. But harken back to the PRIVATE musings of real NKVD people who KNEW Stalin and worked under him and were on assignments from him. They thought American jails were HOTELS -- which is reminiscent of what Stalin once said which made poor Yezhov become a tad on the tough side. There are people, face it, that commit random crimes against random people. When you go and say they are victims of the system, you make people HATE you for it. I'll take a black guy since you are fond of using that -- I don't recall his name but his face made local news. [MIM3 replies: You don't seem to get it that MIM does not care what cracker thinks. Cracker is on average irrational with the impetus of the petty-bourgeoisie. Cracker hated us during World War I too, but Lenin and Zinoviev held the line. If they hadn't there'd have been no revolution. Cracker has to have the emotions of which you speak beaten the hell out of him before he sees the light. That's what happened in World War I and that's the only way this massive dominant nation petty-bourgeoisie is going to be incorporated into a cooperative humyn species. You all who think we have to cater to cracker and otherwise we are committing "political suicide," you need to heed Lenin's example, including what he said about Crispien as we already quoted on "Marxism Space."] This man was incarcerated all of 37 or so times for violent petty crimes. He kept getting let out of the revolving door. His LAST crime was busting into a 92 year old retired woman's home, beating and raping her, THEN tieing her up and robbing some pittance worth of shit from her. A 92 year old woman. McDougal, the sheriff, was outraged, he held up the man's rap sheet which hung down taller than he stands. Such is life. This creature should be SHOT and get it over with. I don't know one single REAL Stalinist fresh from over there back then that would have disagreed with me on this. He may have been hungry, he did NOT rob food. He may have been broke, he did NOT rob much worth much money. He beat up and raped a 92 year old woman BECAUSE HE COULD. Shoot him. I would. but nope, he's back in the hotel probably porking some mild mannered, soft spoken honky in the ass. And, of all the things, using the T-bone from a T-bone steak to attack another prisoner. I know people in jail too. Some of them sent me MENUS of the week and were having, overall, not a bad time of it at all. I told you this. All this ragging on the cops reminds me of the whining the anti Communists do about the NKVD and the gulags, ya know? (And there is always the option to leave the usa and find a new place to live which MANY of my relatives did since they hated it here so much.) And there is the "dissident" that whines that the NKVD or KGB later would lock up sane people in nut houses. Of course, they insist they are sane. And didn't they do lobotomies on sane people in the usa? That's worse than putting them in a hospital and sometimes (depends on the hospital, OPH or SPH) injecting them with aminazine (thorazine, same thing)... I said that the Stalin era never got past the political police stage and sure, the NKVD were NEEDED and if not for them, the whole place would have gone to the Nazis and/or been wiped out ages ago. Cops are cops. No? And of course, YOU AND I say that the vragi naroda that got gulaged deserved it and everyone else says they were innocent. Sounds like the reverse of the rhetoric being said here. Gulag also became BIG BUSINESS in a socialist sense: gulag labor BUILT A LOT of that place and my own relative for one got into a gulag by ASKING to go there -- there was work there for sure, lots of it. No one else in the place ASKED to be sent there, by the way (I neglected to mention that.....due to the fact that I was arguing with anti Reds). There were people in the USSR recognized by all as ASOCIALS and nothing could ever be done with them. The literal word was like brezhprezhorny;, slang: urka. They made gulag life HELL ON EARTH during the Stalin era and it was THEM ALONE that did it, not the guards or even so much the harsh weather conditions which were the same weather conditions that existed for thousands of years when Turanians lived up there (due to being PUSHED up there by agrarians of the Aryan and Semite people). Then again, YY would say there are no such things as "indigenous people" since we all originated in the same place, Eden.....well, AFRICA! HA! Not to be sounding argumentative again :-) but what about the Neanderthals who lived peacefully for 200,000 years and got wiped out or at least pushed into extinction by us MURDEROUS homosapiens? One could say that racism started right there. I'm not trying to be funny. The conditions in the WASP akathartic society PRODUCE asocial type people, klippoths (I knew I'd use the word somewhere in this post). And who is it that ends up being asocial in an asocial system? Why, SOCIAL people do and that means all dionysian people who SUFFOCATE in the system and suppress their rage which BUSTS LOOSE into violence. There it is. There weren't that many asocials in the USSR but it was recognized and accepted: they can't BE rehabilitated unless maybe you mess with their BRAINS to do it. Pavlovian neuropsysiology and forensic psychiatry: The Snezhnevsky School. Same stuff as Damasio btw. There are quite a lot of asocial types in the usa, not to mention what's gonna happen when those babies born with crack brain damage grow up. You don't think like I think. What is being PLANNED for those damaged people? Did any of you even think that it WAS a plan? Or did you imagine they are just "there" poor "victims" of happenstance or something DUH like that? They are uneducable, lack attention spans, almost like autistic kids, and spontaneously VIOLENT and they DO NOT LACK STRENGTH, and over 50% of the babies born in inner cities are damaged like this and it's been going on since 1989. SO? That is a LOT of future adult people to consider! What is being PLANNED for them since they are being kept alive and well, and let loose on occasion to try to put into schools? I think LONG term. Obviously, someone has a PLAN for them, a place for them in the future and IN our society. So? What do YOU think? It seems to me that the CIA has BRED an army of asocial people by dumping the crack in inner cities, waiting for the expecting sex to result in expected babies with crack brain damage, and then keeping them alive. SO? WHAT DO YOU THINK and what does anyone else on marxism space think --- it is something TO think about instead of arguing about past history or who dated who. Hindsight is easy. Foresight is harder. Did anyone even THINK to conceive that the CIA has effectively BRED a future population of deranged people? Or wonder WHY the CIA did it? You'd have to recognize that they HAVE DONE IT first! WELL? I await uh, a THEORY on this. Keep in mind, the numbers I gave you and the fact(oid)s are NOT theories and some of them are 8 years old now. I told you, and if I knew you way back then, I'd have told you a prediction. Welfare is a TRAP and the blacks WERE trapped no differently than one would trap a pet dog. Humans are just another kind of animal, NEVER forget that. The drugs were dumped into their welfare communities ON PURPOSE and that's a FACT, no longer a conspiracy theory. Someone wanted a perceived "threat of blacks" and so they MADE it. Just like someone wanted white flight (and profitted much from it) and so they MADE THAT TOO. This is HINDSIGHT now, no use making argument. Why would someone do it? To get what we got now: a reactionary WHITE group. Contrary to what you think, the FBI and others, and such laws that in the past the leftists would have SCREAMED holy hell about, are being made AGAINST this white reactionary group. YES! I KNOW that - KNOW. THEY are the ones being panicked by the fear of everything and living in SELF MADE JAILS called gated communities where they can't even own a dog (tho I'm all for taking the loud barking out of the dogs since the fucking shits keep me up at night). They even hire their own cops to keep them in the jailes, er, gated communities. GET A CLUE? So, I await response; what theory do you have on this PLAN, do you even realize it's a plan and what do other Reds have to say to THIS Red, the Nakived. [MIM3: Yah, the CIA is involved in crack. That is known. That sort of thing requires only a story--a journalistic story. Saying there is a legion of crack babies as nuts as you say is white mythology justifying oppression. People can be manipulated with such emotional stories, but in "Marxism Space," MIM is trying to explain things scientifically. Yes, under Mao heavy drug-dealers were shot, because there was a People's Army that could not be corrupted, because it was not from a tiny minority of people. Rather it was led by the proletarian party, led by a party with a material base enabling it to resist corruption under Mao. Cracking down on large money transactions and making them illegal under socialism will take out much of the drug-trade. When people can't profit from it so hugely, we'll see it bite the dust like it did under Mao.] --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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