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From: mim3-AT-mim.org
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 01:09:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: M-G: Nakived reviews MIM Theory #11: Section 10


[The following is a review of MIM Theory #11, page 15- "Amerikan
Fascism and Prisons." For your own copy, send $6 to MIM,
PO Box 3576, Ann Arbor, MI 48106-3576 MIM comments
below are in brackets.]

MT11: Nakived response 10

The New Middle Class, Dutt on revolutionary
versus reactionary.  YES, YES, YES!!!  And you can see the
WHITEs he's talking about in the Birch Society, skin heads,
neo Nazis.  SHOULD BE proles, but ARE NOT proles.  Lewontin's
[Richard Lewontin is an important progressive biologist--mim3] 
analysis is that they ARE proles, whether they realize it
(YET!) or not.  YET is a big word, MIM.  Consider that the
west started to capitalize/imperialize oh, say around 1600?
How long was PHAROAH in charge?  Oh, about 4 THOUSAND years?
How long was imperial China imperialist?  4 thousand years?
And the middle eastern sheikdoms and khanates?  The west has
just gotten started, as I POINTED OUT in "Pentalectical Materialism."

[MIM3 replies: We have an on-going argument with Nakived on why
we use concepts that are good for maybe a hundred or three hundred
years and not thousands of years at a time. In Nakived's arguments
we see things that are supposedly timelessly true used
against MIM. The concept of mode of production is missing from Nakived.]

Not only that, but the west is on shakey ground with
resources running out: I mean, imperialism is in its end game
BECAUSE agriculture is in it end game.  Put it together.

[MIM3 replies: The agriculture line of Nakived's is not 
shared by MIM. However, we do like the idea of pointing to the
birth of classes and reminding people that for most of humyn
history, humyns were indeed communist. To say it is humyn nature
otherwise is to forget most of history.]

 
I think the analysis is VERY good and it tells you what
tends to happen so is it an analysis of a theory or just more
statements of given facts?   But you yourself call it the
WHITE labor aristo and, well, there's the answer to why it
tends to go RIGHT wing in the USA all the time.

Take a look at the formerly huge Aryan Nations of
Metzger, his platform, his line.  Some of these Nazis are
outright socialists but RACIAL socialists.  But the Aryan
Nations includes Amerinds and Armenians and Turks and such
people as this in it that speak English.  I'd go so far to
say that the ethnic component of Aryan Nations (I refer to
the group here that used to be big until big power SMASHED
the hell out of it and yeah, everyone noticed!) is very
similar to the ethnic grouping of the USSR with and including
even a Tataric element if you consider the S.  Europeans, E.
Europeans, English speaking Hispanics and even Amerinds in
their group.  As Metzger said, his definition of what "white"
is, is MUCH BROADER than the nordic-loving pipe dreaming do-
nothing nazi groups out there.  The analysis also of some of
their more egg-heady socialists is IDENTICAL to yours, almost
word for word (do they copy MIM?) except that for
"imperialist" they put ZOG and for The People they put WHITE
people.

[MIM3 replies: Unfortunately some prison administrators 
and others have concluded MIM is a "hate group." One 
chimpanzee running a prison read an article of ours
criticizing the KKK and concluded we were a "hate group" too.
(Yes, the greens are right that I just insulted chimpanzees.)

To speak of race and national groups the way MIM does is
to risk such confusion in individualist Amerika.]

Consider some of the really radical red groups in the
USA that aren't "like a bible study class" as X put it, or
like flower carrying peaniks as I imagine Y sees in
Denmark.  They were LIKE the Panthers: loud, threatening AND
NON-WHITE.

It is the racial component of the USA that determines
whether or not the whites go right or left, I know it.  KNOW
it.  This is something I know, it's not a theory.  Not only
that, but these formerly BIG Nazi groups support the Pace
Amendment along with some blacks:  it gives blacks a nation
and separates them from everyone else.  I'd also suggest you
look at some of the data these types of Nazi groups have
since it is names, dates and facts too.  I disagree on one
ground only:  that the Jewish component in this imperialist
ZOG set up are COMPRADORS, but you have to admit after seeing
it, there are an AWFUL LOT of Jews involved, an AWFUL LOT!

[MIM3 replies: With over 500 million people in imperialist countries,
we'd expect a ruling class of 5 million. There could be an "AWFUL LOT"
of Jews in 5 million and they'd still be a tiny minority. What the Nazis
and most of the scum occupying "Marxism Space" have in common is the
need to leave things vague. A precise quantification would leave little
room for their white chauvinist views.]
 
This extends to the Brit East India Company and things like
that.  It covers William of Orange and WHO he let into
England, and it covers the World Bank and such notables as
Rothschild and such folks.  It extends to the curious fact
that the USA is pro Israel and has been such despite LOSS to
big capitalists.  It would benefit the capitalists to have
sided WITH those Arabs instead.  It is curious.  OK?  I see
them as compradors, but they DO have a LOT OF INFLUENCE!

[MIM3 replies: MIM does not see "compradors." Rather
we see Israel as imperialist and we see Jews incorporated in the 
dominant nation of the U$A.]

Z, who IS Jewish, has noticed this all his life and as an
agent of the ADL he was once assigned to "block bust" that
is, move black families into white neighborhoods - which in
turn caused white flight.  Did they do this to forcibly
integrate a community that did not want social integration
with blacks, or did they do this to drive property value
down, buy up cheap property and then sell it at a profit
while selling newer property to the fleeing whites?  Good
question.

[MIM3 replies: this is misleading. Unless Z had tanks and guns,
Z was not forcibly integrating anyone. Using the word "forcibly"
in such contexts is white whining, meant to take away the 
significance of violence that is real and applied to the Third
World by imperialism.]

  Don't dismiss these Aryan nations types because
they have VERY convincing data and it appeals to the one
thing communism does not appeal to: THE EMOTIONS and EMOTE-
reaction.  Dutt doesn't realize that reactionary behavior
comes with EMOTE reactive feelings, short term for sure, as I
said in Pentalectical Materialism.

In taking a closer look at the components of Aryan
Nations, one finds what we all found and what Wayne (who is a
real Aryan in appearance) noticed:  NONE of these people are
Aryans, MOST of them are the same ethnics that white America
used to consider non-white, lots of Irish, S. and E.
Europeans and even others who are REALLY non-white.  The
lilly waspy types always used to be peacenik liberal types
and anti-Nazi!  Curious!  They all might get into the fantasy
of German Nazi Aryanism, comparing their racial pedigrees,
but the more serious minded of them say that this is a load
of bullshit!

The USSR was primarily a kind of homogenous group of
people, despite what Stalin defined as nation using location,
language and culture (by that token, Jews are NOT a Nation at
all).  Jews themselves, however, tend to consider themselves
a People as if Jewish IS their nationality or ethnic group
no matter what language they speak or where they live.  I'd
say that how a people regards THEMSELVES is more important
than someone else's definition of what a nation is.  The Aryan
Nations regard Jews as a nation, the RULING nation, the hand
behind the imperialists.  They see Jewish power and money as
having turned the USSR into a pasturland of slaves and they
feel Jews want to do this to the USA.  Are they irrational?
Well, they have their dates, names and facts, too.  I still
tend to see Jewish compradors, but I have to wonder sometimes
when I am confronted with the evidence:  is it ANGLO
COMPRADORS instead?!

[MIM3 replies: What evidence? Again, where there is
ignorance, this sort of idea will sprout up. That is why
MIM is very precise and leaves nothing to chance.]

Germany went Nazi, you call it fascism.  National
SOCIALISM is not the same as fascism, you know.  The people
living there had it GOOD under Hitler until he went too far.
Tho you all insist on seeing his expansionist behavior as
profit motivated when it was not, even IF profits would also
be had, maybe, maybe not, in taking the land of the Slavs
from them.

I'd appreaciate it if you could PRINT the post I mailed
you on israel/Arab and it was word by word dictated (composed
by) X. [This essay Nakived refers to was too pro-Israel for MIM
to bother commenting on--mim3.]

I could not have written it, I don't know ANY of those facts he
dictated.  I have common sense, however:  I don't see WHY the USA's
capitalists who deal in oil would bother lifting a finger FOR Israel. 
They have everything to gain siding with the Arabs and everything to
lose siding with Israel and everyone sees this clearly:  which makes
what the Aryan Nations have to say about ZOG even MORE convincing! 

Americans pretty much see it in a very kind of no-think, feel
it out, way.  ALL the other ethnics here, say from Russia
these days, they will learn English and blend in like the
Italians did, like the other E. Europeans did, or the first
wave of Cubans that came here.  Look how these people VOTE
for a clue.  They do not feel kinship or unity with non
whites and by that I mean BLATANTLY non-white types like the
blacks or blatant Hispanics that refuse to speak English.
They just don't feel this and nothing is going to change this
since it's been tried already.  No one suggests that we put
Russian speaking teachers in the public schools to help
Russian children learn.  Or any other nationality.  But for
the Hispanics, this is demanded.  This serves to isolate
these Hispanics and seems like special treatment for them.
For this reason I'm dead against your line on this.

[MIM3: This is pretty much re-statement of the fact
that Nakived does not agree with MIM on the principal
contradiction--the question of what strggle to focus
on to bring the greatest progress.]

The issues are complex if you make them complex.  They are
simple the way I see them.  True, in seeing it this way I
tend to side step the UBIQUITOUS BIG New World Order but
fighting that is a BIG BIG thing, too big for any one group.
Or even any TEN groups.  You forget that Bush bombed Iraq, no
war was declared, no one on top even knew why he did it!
No one could have stopped him, including all of Europe
combined.  They don't mind France having the nuke bomb but
fear Iraq getting it.  I have to wonder why since both recent
world wars involved the EUROPEAN nations against each other.

Yes, reaction is what happens in Europe and America but
it did NOT happen in Russia under Lenin or with Mao in China.
Consider the types of people in the two areas, then.  This is
where our gang tends to get DEEPER UNDERNEATH the outer
circumstances than any red analysts do.  The NATURE of the
people in Europe and the USA is what we talk about.  A NATURE
molded by environment over centuries, and culture.  I notice
what you fail to notice: the ones who went revolutionary and
socialist were Turanian type people, or MOSTLY so; the ones
who go reactionary are Aryan type people or MOSTLY so.  That
is, you'll find a minority Aryan group in revolution and a
minority Turanian group in reaction.  This is NOTICEABLE.
There were no blacks in the USSR or in China but I know what
happened when both nations sought to bring some over from
Africa.  China is well known, the students rioted.  In the
USSR some blacks went missing and when the snow thawed out
they found them:  heads bashed in and dead.  We got to hear
about the blacks in China due to the BIG riot it caused and
there was a lot of news about it:  it WAS NOT about some
black guy dating a girl either -- that's bullshit.  But you
WON'T get to hear about the similar thing in the USSR due to
the closed curtain over that society.  This kind of thing
seems to go on INDEPENDENT of the imperialist's who rule with
the only exception being the Aryan Nation line that the
ruling hand over these imperialists are Jews.  Many Jews were
in the limelight as leaders of movements for these UNWANTED
minorities, including the gays.  Strange?  I think so.  Did
these Jews seek to help them or did they plan to get everyone
else raging pissed and pissed enough to eventually turn
against all these minorities enough to end up in a right wing
republican party?  Someone got rich causing all this strife
all in the name of "trying to get everyone to ACCEPT
someone."  I don't believe this is an accident when it was SO
PREDICTABLE that this super polarization would happen IF
these "liberals" continued to do this kind of thing.  W's
idea is that they were emotionally BLINDED to these
realities, realities that threaten to make everyone BELIEVE
what Hitler said about Jews!

Do you imagine for a minute that this is some far out,
fringe view?  I hear it from the most NON OBVIOUS people
every fucking day!  I hear it from non political people, I
hear it also from BLACKS big time (Farakhan believes it!)
This is a real perception here, Goldhagan might say it is as
delusional as was the Germans' perception but I see that
perhaps some Jews do not realize that they do things to MAKE
people perceive these things.  You can NOT dismiss this;  it
is in the culture here, it is EVERYWHERE in the culture here.

Jews, having no nation since the Romans caused their
diaspora, and persecuted by xians everywhere, they get into a
society and they DO INDEED do things to rise to the top, one
way or the other.  They then try to INFLUENCE the society so
as to secure for themselvees MORE safety but that is the
very thing that turns everyone against them and makes
manifest their own worst fears! By doing this inside of a
stable culture, they are messing WITH that culture and this
is felt and perceived by everyone:  it was perceived by the
ancient Egyptians too!  People TURN anti-Jewish when before
they were not.  They are indeed in the forefront of

[MIM3 replies: What people does not strive for itself in
class society? This is an anti-materialist view to even imply
otherwise of non-Jews.]

internationalism (leftist type) and why?  Well, they have no
nation (didn't used to) and so they'd be safe in such a
world, as in the USSR they were safe.   They preach tolerance
and acceptance and end up in the forefront with a lot of
INFLUENCE in movements SUCH AS the women's, gay's and the
NAACP (which was FOUNDED BY a Jew!)  Did someone think that
they could make happen here as happened in the USSR?  That is,
minority groups unite and fight the white power structure?
Not even the white power structure, but just plain old
whites.  It backfired.  The perception is that the Jews used
the blacks primarily, like BULLETS from a gun, to come to the
forefront and attack what everyone else wanted and force down
people's throats what no one wanted: social integration with
blacks.  The Civil Rights movement was not about women or
gays as this is perceived, blacks were in the front, LIKE
bullets from a gun.  Looks like the bullets have turned
against the holders of that gun: behold Farrakhan!
Hispanics, gays, blacks and now Jews, they are NOT united at
all but Jews and many gays are the richest of these groups.
These people have ended up isolated and judged by the
PERCEPTIONS that everyone else has, not just the white power
structure, but EVERYONE ELSE, including those would-be proles
from the vast number of other ethnic groups.  I know exactly
what turned everyone against the gays:  the fanatical
insistence on teaching 2nd grade kids how to suck dick and
get fucked in the asshole.  THAT is what did it.  Everyone was
willing to live and let live but this was going WAY TOO FAR.
It was obvious then, that these gays did NOT want "just"
equal opportunity and protection under law.  They wanted
ACCEPTANCE from people who'd rather not even know what they
do in bed, or what anyone else does in bed.  Why did they go
so far?  WHO LED THEM:  go find out!  I dare you!  They
didn't accept THEMSELVES -- and that's WHY people do such
things.

[MIM3: Ack, now you are really carrying your Archie Bunker
imitation too far. If 2nd graders received no heterosexual
re-inforcement from stories told about adults, then you would
be right. Telling these kids stories about gays/lesbians
just as they are told stories about heterosexual princes
and princesses is nothing at all. It is only the irrational
Christians here who speak the way you do on this.]


You know, the people everyone is talking about, white or
accepted-white Americans, could sort of go left wing and try
to set up Communism or even a type of Communism like
Krushchev or Deng had where they'd BE the apparatchik
themselves: but they DO NOT DO THIS EITHER.  OK, you have to
see what other things these white semi-proles DO NOT do or
opt for.  You can clearly see what they DO: look how they
vote, look at the referendums they get in lately.  This is
not the imperialists doing this, these are the man in the
street white folks (all ethnics themselves) who are doing
this!

Sure, I know this is exactly what J.  Sakai is saying
and the PROOF of Sakai is in the reality you can see right
now.  I read Sakai's book wondering what the hell was in it
that I'm supposed to "find out."  Like uh, I GOT EYES AND
EARS and I also live here and I'm always INSIDE myself WHERE
I am: i.e., I'm aware.  So then I must ask you, what the hell
are the other Communist groups in the USA arguing with you
for?  Perhaps it's the approach.  If you claimed the grass
was green, would they argue this?  As I said, the approach:
You accuse these people of buying into the imperialists, or
being petty boorjwah.  Their perception is of another kind,
one of solidarity but solidarity with WHOM THEY WISH TO BE
UNITED WITH and I do not mean the imperialists that no one
ever gets to even meet or see or EAT LUNCH WITH; I mean
people they don't mind, or choose, BEING WITH at a work
place, or in a community or neighborhood.

OK?  Is this a KIND of racism?  Sure it is, but no it's
not!  i.e., BOTH.  Do you deal with it or do you just try to
eradicate this thing which is NOT genetic, but which IS
PHENOTYPICAL and exists EVERYWHERE you go AS IF IT MIGHT AS
WELL BE "human nature." Do you deal with it?  No, Reds have
consistently FAILED to deal with it and liberals, many
claiming to be as Red as MIM, have made it WORSE than ever.
One could say that racism didn't exist in CHINA either until
Africans got there.  HA!!!  Touche!  I say there is NO
dealing with it and the "it" is a non-issue.  So long as
ECONOMIC equality and LEGAL equality is there, NO ONE can
make you live next to a person or eat with that person and
like it.  How do nations GET naturally formed?  First there
is freedom of congregation and when enough of LIKE PEOPLE get
into the place they GET ALONG:  hence you GET a nation.

What I used to see all the time was white Reds from
homogenous countries "questioning" the racism in the USA, or
some mid-western peacenik whites questioning it when they
didn't grow up in a racially mixed city at all.  HUH.  It
doesn't take any of these people LONG to join the ranks of
the racists:  I notice that TOO.  Reds have a neat trick to
side step this carnal reality:  they get into the BIG picture
of the imperialists, contrast them to "the oppressed, mostly
non-whites," and either try to include the white workers or
exclude them like if they particularly care one way or the
other if you include them or exclude them, especially since
most of the "whites" Sakai talks about aren't even white by
THOSE DEFINITIONS back then during the TIME he is writing
about them.  That's COP OUT. It solves NOTHING.  There are
some things that can't BE solved by force or arms even.
Integration of one particularly VERY DIFFERENT looking group
in the USA is one of those things.

Where Dutt cites petit boorjwah, slum proles and
demoralized working class bolstered by big industry, he means
then and there:  GERMANY.  Transport this to here:  middle
class types, skinhead scum types, metal heads, all that, and
those working to make ends meet.  This segment does NOT
perceive itself bolstered by big industry which is moving out
to hire cheap NON WHITE labor.  This segment here, fascist
for sure, perceives big industry as controlled industry (by
ZOG or some other powerful group) and they perceive
Communists as being all PRO the forces against them; that is,
non-whites taking jobs from them, and blacks ruining their
neighborhoods and ruining all the cities.  THAT is the
perception HERE, get a clue!  THIS is the base of ALL anti-
communism here which imagines that commies are resonsible for
the welfare system and just TRY to talk them out of that
conviction!  HA!

I have heard it a MILLION times:  "The Reds have a great idea
and a great line, but every damned time some black is on
death row for murder, they have to cry tears for him."  And
yes, THIS ALONE is enough to turn people away from anything
LEFT wing, translate that to "communism, socialism, etc."
THESE are the perceptions and until Reds deal with these and
fix these they'll persist and turn the MAJORITY of people
here against Communism.  W himself sees your group as an
anti white party and says to tell you, if you keep up like
this you'll never win.  I say that MIM is aware of this.  Ok
then,  MIM doesn't want to win?  That is incomprehensible to
W (and to me! that's why I see MIM as PRIMARILY like the
gang from COS we have:  all talk, theory, ideas, tho the gang
never set out to BE anything more than this or claim to be
more:  we DO enhance clarity and where it goes from us is
anyone's guess).  The gang is a gang with the Eros for
KNOWLEDGE, MIM.  Understand that.  What they'll each turn out
to be or become later is anyone's guess.  You NEVER KNOW.

[MIM3 replies: Anyone who has read even 10 pages of our lit should know
MIM holds faith in the vast majority of the world. Yes, that means if
the cracker wants to resist progress, let him. We aren't going to
change the communist party to cater to him/her and his/her parasitism.
That is the only materialist way to unite the international proletariat
and win. However, Nakived has already expressed in previous letters
doubt that the entire Third World combined could beat U$ imperialism.
Obviously if MIM were wrong about Mao's theory of protracted People's
War, MIM would be wrong overall.]

Think about the picture painting bum who never had a job.  He
became Hitler.  And the other, a poor boy from a seminary no
less, from a poverty stricken family and no father at home.
He became Stalin.  You NEVER KNOW what people will become and
often, they themselves don't know!

Next article in MT11 is on prison system and such, yet
the oppressor class, as you put it, is NOT getting much
lately and losing a lot.  Ahem!  I'll have to be vague here:
from the mouths of people, NKVD people that were here in the
USA and not due to ...  how to say...  not due to any falling
out with the Soviet system...  they used to say in private:
"Put them in labor gangs, the usa used to have chain gangs
doing work. Jail in america is like a hotel or sex club."
Now, that's quite an opposite view from what you put forth
about jail in the USA, yet these same people said the SAME
things YOU all say when talking about the injustice system
because they knew (and you know) that CRIMINALS make the BEST
revolutionaries and if the object is to SMASH this
country....then SMASH IT they'll surely try to do -- and if
they can do stuff to make laws so real evidence gets "thrown
out of court" or enable 10 time offending criminals to get
loose, they'll do it (did it).  Now come on.  The Cold war
was this KIND of war:  let us see who can WRECK the other
person's country.  Don't you understand LONG term strategy?
THINK AGAIN about those doing things to "help" the racial
minorities here: don't you think the "best in the world"
could figure out what I know about the strange physical
revulsion people tend to feel around lots of blacks?  Don't
you think the "best in the world" KNEW what forced
integration would CREATE HERE?  If I could predict this in
1963 for Joe's sakes, if everyone, LITERALLY EVERY PERSON I
knew, KNEW this would happen, don't you think the "best in
the world" KNEW IT?

I suspect everything, MIM.  Take, eg, the Guatemalan
tragedy, what United Fruit did by pulling STUPID American
strings. Why did they go SO FAR with this, long after they
got their way?  Or did they?  What BETTER way to turn more of
the world against the USA?  HA!  By the time this kind of
cold war shit was going on, you had TWO IMPERIALIST SUPER
POWERS vying for control.  It was NO LONGER a case of honest
communist versus savage capitalist.  A lot of shit got funded
BY KRUSHCHEV and the ONLY thing anyone with a brain could
foresee from all this "do good" shit was something WORSE
coming out of it and we were 100% RIGHT.  And sorry, no, I
can't PROVE any of it and whatever else.  Keep in mind, there
were those above mentioned that HATED Krushchev and were
considered part of the "Beria Circle" as it was called.
I.e., Stalinists, TRUE believers.  They did not want K to
wreck the USA nor did they want the American spies to wreck
their homeland -- but BOTH got wrecked, one seemingly worse
than the other but don't forget, what is happening in the
xUSSR was PREDICTED as a kind of plot and I heard this with
my own two ears.  What are they up to?  I don't know.  But I
know, KNOW, that the KGB is NOT the NKVD and the two were and
are as different as night and day.

Everything you see wrong with this country now, the
inner city, the blacks gone deranged like lunatics, the
pornography to the nth degree of bath-houses, the unsafe
conditions due to rampant crime, the WHOLE MESS, everything
you see is BLAMED on Communists: GET IT?  No one is blaming
Stalinists.  They call them Communists or sometimes they call
them liberals.  And if one tenth of this kind of shit ever
happened under Stalin, oh, phew, he'd have CLEANED HOUSE
fast.  And do you guess WHY this perception is rampant?  One
name:  KRUSHCHEV.  HE FUNDED SO MUCH of this and how can I
prove this?  There HAS to be proof somewhere since many
people KNEW it.  I have to wonder then since I BELIEVE K was
an agent --- perhaps there is some secret government or gang
that did all of this, from Krushchev, the CIA, and to the
MESS the USA is in with polarization rampant. The ONLY sign
of revolution I see on the horizon is coming from right-wing,
predominantly white (but not exclusively) CHRISTIANS out
there.

WHO ARE these imperialists?  WHO?  How many of them are
there?  They BUY presidents (Clinton or anyone else) and they
control the whole mess and want to control the world.  WHO
ARE THEY?  NAMES!  In many ways this is primarily due to that
ever rolling ball that keeps rolling as it plays upon the
WORST, most BASE characteristics of humankind.  Yet no one I
know wants anyone to starve, no one wants war, no one I know
wants to hurt anyone and profit from doing this.  I know a
lot of people!  DO YOU know anyone who wants this?  I mean,
one on one, don't let's get into BIG things and confuse
anyone.  Yet, people just go to work, make ends meet, and
somehow, by their very doing this, they HURT OTHERS.  You
live in the USA and work here:  you do it too; we all do.

MIM, XX worked for Wackenhut for awhile down here as
an ARMED security guard.  His pay was $5.00 per hour.  NO
benefits, NO paid holidays or sick days.  They switched his
hours from day shift to night shift and he fell asleep on the
job:  and lost it.

[MIM has addressed this sort of argument statistically. What don't you
get about it? Why do you keep quoting these vague stories instead of
figuring out what is representative? We don't need to hear about your
persynal friend from days before the minimum wage went up. We need
to see you address what portion of the society actually lives
at minimum wage and how long.]

It is odd, one of the pictures of the future I painted
for you early on was of the prison camp society: the elite,
the guards, and the prisoners.  Hmmm.

Profit in prisoners:  not good.  Yes, we see the
loopholes in the business about slave labor only being legal
in the usa with imprisoned people.  The two together add up
to an obvious picture:  profit in making jails, but jails
need prisoners to keep running, so GET prisoners and then
hire them out as slave labor.  Obvious.   I believe you might
have allies against this from the Birch society types and
they are all in the xian right wing republican stuff the last
I looked.

GOT ANY IDEA what a benefit to freedom from TOTAL
imperialism that 666 hula is?  Xians will be your best allies
against that HR666 bill.  Next, they'll be "marking" people
so we can all know who is safe or not.  Xian superstitious
Beast stuff.

Maybe if this job ever bombs out, I apply for job as
security guard with Wackenhut, distribute MIM notes to my
prisoners!  HA!!  TOO much.  I do believe that's a dangerous
kind of job to have, no?  Yes.  But harken back to the
PRIVATE musings of real NKVD people who KNEW Stalin and
worked under him and were on assignments from him.  They
thought American jails were HOTELS -- which is reminiscent of
what Stalin once said which made poor Yezhov become a tad on
the tough side.

There are people, face it, that commit random crimes
against random people.  When you go and say they are victims
of the system, you make people HATE you for it.  I'll take a
black guy since you are fond of using that -- I don't recall
his name but his face made local news. 

[MIM3 replies: You don't seem to get it that MIM does not
care what cracker thinks. Cracker is on average irrational
with the impetus of the petty-bourgeoisie. Cracker hated us
during World War I too, but Lenin and Zinoviev held the line.
If they hadn't there'd have been no revolution. Cracker has to have the
emotions of which you speak beaten the hell out of him before he
sees the light. That's what happened in World War I and that's the
only way this massive dominant nation petty-bourgeoisie is
going to be incorporated into a cooperative humyn species.
You all who think we have to cater to cracker and otherwise
we are committing "political suicide," you need to heed Lenin's
example, including what he said about Crispien as we already
quoted on "Marxism Space."]


This man was incarcerated all of 37 or so times for violent petty
crimes.  He kept getting let out of the revolving door.  His LAST crime
was busting into a 92 year old retired woman's home, beating and raping
her, THEN tieing her up and robbing some pittance worth of shit from
her.  A 92 year old woman.  McDougal, the sheriff, was outraged, he held
up the man's rap sheet which hung down taller than he stands.  Such is
life.  This creature should be SHOT and get it over with.  I don't know
one single REAL Stalinist fresh from over there back then that would
have disagreed with me on this.  He may have been hungry, he did NOT rob
food.  He may have been broke, he did NOT rob much worth much money.  He
beat up and raped a 92 year old woman BECAUSE HE COULD.  Shoot him.  I
would.  but nope, he's back in the hotel probably porking some mild
mannered, soft spoken honky in the ass.  And, of all the things, using
the T-bone from a T-bone steak to attack another prisoner.  I know
people in jail too.  Some of them sent me MENUS of the week and were
having, overall, not a bad time of it at all.  I told you this. 

All this ragging on the cops reminds me of the whining
the anti Communists do about the NKVD and the gulags, ya
know?  (And there is always the option to leave the usa and
find a new place to live which MANY of my relatives did since
they hated it here so much.)  And there is the "dissident"
that whines that the NKVD or KGB later would lock up sane
people in nut houses.  Of course, they insist they are sane.
And didn't they do lobotomies on sane people in the usa?
That's worse than putting them in a hospital and sometimes
(depends on the hospital, OPH or SPH) injecting them with
aminazine (thorazine, same thing)...

I said that the Stalin era never got past the political
police stage and sure, the NKVD were NEEDED and if not for
them, the whole place would have gone to the Nazis and/or
been wiped out ages ago.  Cops are cops.  No?  And of course,
YOU AND I say that the vragi naroda that got gulaged deserved
it and everyone else says they were innocent.  Sounds like
the reverse of the rhetoric being said here.  Gulag also
became BIG BUSINESS in a socialist sense:  gulag labor BUILT A
LOT of that place and my own relative for one got into a
gulag by ASKING to go there -- there was work there for sure,
lots of it.  No one else in the place ASKED to be sent there,
by the way (I neglected to mention that.....due to the fact
that I was arguing with anti Reds).

There were people in the USSR recognized by all as
ASOCIALS and nothing could ever be done with them.  The
literal word was like brezhprezhorny;, slang: urka.  They
made gulag life HELL ON EARTH during the Stalin era and it
was THEM ALONE that did it, not the guards or even so much
the harsh weather conditions which were the same weather
conditions that existed for thousands of years when Turanians
lived up there (due to being PUSHED up there by agrarians of
the Aryan and Semite people).  Then again, YY would say
there are no such things as "indigenous people" since we all
originated in the same place, Eden.....well, AFRICA!  HA!
Not to be sounding argumentative again :-) but what about the
Neanderthals who lived peacefully for 200,000 years and got
wiped out or at least pushed into extinction by us MURDEROUS
homosapiens?  One could say that racism started right there.
I'm not trying to be funny.  The conditions in the WASP
akathartic society PRODUCE asocial type people, klippoths (I
knew I'd use the word somewhere in this post).  And who is it
that ends up being asocial in an asocial system?  Why, SOCIAL
people do and that means all dionysian people who SUFFOCATE
in the system and suppress their rage which BUSTS LOOSE into
violence.  There it is.  There weren't that many asocials in
the USSR but it was recognized and accepted:  they can't BE
rehabilitated unless maybe you mess with their BRAINS to do
it.  Pavlovian neuropsysiology and forensic psychiatry: The
Snezhnevsky School.  Same stuff as Damasio btw.

There are quite a lot of asocial types in the usa, not
to mention what's gonna happen when those babies born with
crack brain damage grow up.  You don't think like I think.
What is being PLANNED for those damaged people?  Did any of
you even think that it WAS a plan?  Or did you imagine they
are just "there" poor "victims" of happenstance or something
DUH like that?  They are uneducable, lack attention spans,
almost like autistic kids, and spontaneously VIOLENT and they
DO NOT LACK STRENGTH, and over 50% of the babies born in
inner cities are damaged like this and it's been going on
since 1989.  SO?  That is a LOT of future adult people to
consider!  What is being PLANNED for them since they are
being kept alive and well, and let loose on occasion to try
to put into schools?  I think LONG term.  Obviously, someone
has a PLAN for them, a place for them in the future and IN
our society.  So?  What do YOU think?  It seems to me that
the CIA has BRED an army of asocial people by dumping the
crack in inner cities, waiting for the expecting sex to
result in expected babies with crack brain damage, and then
keeping them alive.  SO?  WHAT DO YOU THINK and what does
anyone else on marxism space think --- it is something TO
think about instead of arguing about past history or who
dated who.  Hindsight is easy.  Foresight is harder.  Did
anyone even THINK to conceive that the CIA has effectively
BRED a future population of deranged people?  Or wonder WHY
the CIA did it?  You'd have to recognize that they HAVE DONE
IT first!  WELL?  I await uh, a THEORY on this.  Keep in
mind, the numbers I gave you and the fact(oid)s are NOT
theories and some of them are 8 years old now.

I told you, and if I knew you way back then, I'd have
told you a prediction.  Welfare is a TRAP and the blacks WERE
trapped no differently than one would trap a pet dog.  Humans
are just another kind of animal, NEVER forget that.  The
drugs were dumped into their welfare communities ON PURPOSE
and that's a FACT, no longer a conspiracy theory.  Someone
wanted a perceived "threat of blacks" and so they MADE it.
Just like someone wanted white flight (and profitted much
from it) and so they MADE THAT TOO.  This is HINDSIGHT now,
no use making argument.  Why would someone do it?  To get
what we got now:  a reactionary WHITE group.  Contrary to
what you think, the FBI and others, and such laws that in the
past the leftists would have SCREAMED holy hell about, are
being made AGAINST this white reactionary group.  YES!  I
KNOW that - KNOW.  THEY are the ones being panicked by the
fear of everything and living in SELF MADE JAILS called gated
communities where they can't even own a dog (tho I'm all for
taking the loud barking out of the dogs since the fucking
shits keep me up at night).  They even hire their own cops to
keep them in the jailes, er, gated communities.  GET A CLUE?
So, I await response;  what theory do you have on this PLAN,
do you even realize it's a plan and what do other Reds have
to say to THIS Red, the Nakived.

[MIM3: Yah, the CIA is involved in crack. That is known. That sort of
thing requires only a story--a journalistic story.  Saying there is a
legion of crack babies as nuts as you say is white mythology
justifying oppression. People can be manipulated with such
emotional stories, but in "Marxism Space," MIM is trying to
explain things scientifically. Yes, under Mao heavy drug-dealers
were shot, because there was a People's Army that could not
be corrupted, because it was not from a tiny minority of people. Rather 
it was led by the proletarian party, led by a party with a material
base enabling it to resist corruption under Mao. Cracking down
on large money transactions and making them illegal under socialism
will take out much of the drug-trade. When people can't profit from it
so hugely, we'll see it bite the dust like it did under Mao.]




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