Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 08:46:28 +0000
From: Chris Burford <cburford-AT-gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: M-G: Oh what a tangled web ...


So "rphelan" now is trying to suggest it was all a joke and the only
problem is there was this rather obsessional lurker, myself, who now keeps
posting, who lacks a sense of humour. "Can't you take a joke?" seems to be
the latest twist. 

So why did "rphelan" post his silent "Protest"? Why does he still try to
imply that I have harrassed him or his partners *off* list, when I have
challenged them only on list?

"rphelan" appears now to be able to think of little to do except to try to
give covering fire to the other two addresses, by trying to divert the
discussion into chauvinist remarks about people with mental illnesses.


Now that LRF has left the list prior to possible expulsion after failing to
answer the charge of forging mail on this list, would rphelan not like to
counsel "liam-AT-stones.com" to reconsider why he is continuing to subscribe
to this list that has people so lacking in a sense of humour and
perspective as to cause such discomfort?


And would not "tmurpat-AT-sprynet.com" like to explain why he continues to
subscribe to this list after evidence has been presented here, suggesting
that someone associated with his name 

a) may have sadly died 

b) may have threatened legal action against the organisers of this list and
put pressure for the alteration of the archives. (I have not checked myself
whether this was successful.)

Assuming this subscriber is still subscribed this morning, perhaps he/she
would like to dissociate themselves altogether from the name of Thomas
Murray, or take the opportunity, to clarify which pseudonym he wishes
consistently to use, and simply declare that he has never tried to harass
any subscriber either in person, or via the internet, or via threats of
legal action, or if he ever appeared to do so, this was at most a joke that
went unfortunately wrong, or was misunderstood by a few people with
obsessional tendencies, and that any resemblance to provocation to other
subscribers of marxism space, 

was completely unintentional?



Chris Burford

London.



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Subject: Re: M-G: Oh what a tangled web ...
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Its clear what the Enforcer Chris is up to.He hasn't done anything but
HARP on this single issue since he showed up.Why is this? Its because
Chris has no life.These lists are his world.He has nothing outside these
lists.His behavior is indicative of an obsessed shut in recluse.So Chris
deserves nothing more then our pity.


R.C.Phelan

On Sat, 20 Dec 1997 22:04:46 +0000 Chris Burford <cburford-AT-gn.apc.org>
writes:
>Despite the statement by "LRF" that he/she is leaving prior to any
>expulsion, in the chauvinist-titled post (below)
>
>"FOR THE MENTAL CASES ........"
>
>which tries to imply it is *off* list "harassment" that has prompted 
>the
>withdrawal,
>
>it is clear that it is the challenges *on* list that has prompted this
>flurry of activity and then subsequent public withdrawal,
>
>accompanied by RC Phelan's silent "Protest" implying he/she has also
>withdrawn.
>
>Those exchanges *on* list, exposed LRF posting at least twice in the 
>name
>of other subscribers for which he/she gave no explanation or apology. 
>And
>other evidence was produced of other posts being tampered with before 
>being
>submitted.
>
>Of course there is nothing to stop them coming back under a new name, 
>but
>then they have the problem of how to post with any political 
>credibility
>and for what purpose? 
>
>Some of the posts suggested they/he/she had attempted to force Spoons
>through the threat of legal action through the bourgeois courts to 
>alter
>the archives. But even if this is done about the present episode, most
>people have memories, and many keep their own archives. It seems I am 
>not
>the only one who recalls reading a report of Thomas Murray's sad and 
>sudden
>death. Perhaps someone can search the archives for this. 
>
>Perhaps Thomas Murray himself can explain? Perhaps he has already
>successfully sued the originator of such a distressing report?
>
>So let us assume that this person/these people will stay around or 
>return,
>while presumably thinking what they will say about their aims, a 
>problem
>even if they play around presenting themselves with a new identity. 
>
>Meanwhile the majordomo "who" function reports as of Sat, 20 Dec 1997
>14:01:19 -0500
>the following addresses are subscribing
>
>liam-AT-stones.com
>
>rphelan1-AT-juno.com
>
>tmurpat-AT-sprynet.com
>
>
>
>Hm...
>
>
>
>Chris Burford
>London.
>
>
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>From: "L.R.F." <trinity-AT-hot-shot.com>
>To: Marx-General <marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU>
>Subject: M-G: FOR THE MENTAL CASES ........
>X-Mailer: Becky! ver 1.23
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>     I've had it with the off list harassment and abuse.I'll take it 
>up
>     with the administrators of the people that feel the need to 
>harass
>     off list.I am unsubscribing.Leave it to the list Mental cases 
>theY 
>     revel in this shit.
>    
>                                                            L.R.F.
>                       {address information removed due to harassment 
>and
>                         abuse by internet thugs and their frontmen.}
>
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