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Date: Sun, 7 Dec 1997 04:34:55 -0500
From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki)
Subject: M-G: Re: M-TH: All Work and No Play? No Way!


The Thaxis discussion between Jerry,Doug,Hugh, Justin and others on this 
stuff should be turned towards another more interesting subject, subjects or 
at least linked to it. 

And that is the tendency in the  post war economic boom of inter-class 
marriages and middle-class ideologi vis a vis the working class. Also the so 
called "social climbers" out of the proletariat and into and alien class. In 
fact it was not only the crumbs and the *real* leisure involved in all of 
this stuff, but and extremely important ideological weapon in the hands of 
the bourgeoisie.

These days at least in Sweden people are talking about a "new" class. In 
this period of dismantling the welfare state and downsizing as we now go in 
the other direction. Then their is also the shift in Social Democracy 
towards the middle class which I believe in the long run a utopian 
pipedream. The only "new" class the big bourgeoisie are interested in is 
putting history back on their course especially in the states around the 
Baltic sea. The prolos are always the prolos and the middle class a tool 
which can be used or discarded at will and need...

Because behind the original arguements lie the left's anti-western worker 
stance and in fact the reverse side of this stuff which Yoshie was getting 
into. However I disagree with her conclusions that painting up the 
lifestyles of the bourgeoisie as a big champagne party is somehow used 
against poor and working class people. 

Then their is the whole question of the "big" bourgeoisie and who they 
really are? I would deam to make the assertion that the big bourgeoisie are 
the ones that own real material resources of production and distribution and 
they certainly have a historical thread which can be followed both backwards 
and forwards through history over and above the present debate on drinking 
and mating habits.  This is concrete and real. Where as the people like  
Soros, the Americans or Arabs who mainly push paper and speculation, or 
investments in more soluable things are paper tigers or relatively newcomers 
in the game. (The Americans and Arabs)

Hugh talked about "blue chip" stocks. Well their is something very real 
behind them.. Not only industrial clout but social and historical clout. 

Then their is another side of this stuff which is even far more interesting. 
The "new" capitalist class in the ex USSR and deformed workers states! And 
how it is effected by this stuff. As the old stock big bourgeoisie really 
has not existed in the USSR for quite a long time. In Germany we have a 
quite different situation which effects not only the former east Germany bit 
the old idea of the Third Riech turning into the Fourth Reich!

Everybody is talking about the "wild west" atomosphere in the USSR and a lot 
of the International big bourgeoisie see both opportunities and the dangers 
in what is going on their. Thus here in Sweden one sees the clever approach 
towards the now defunct Baltic States. Here they are going back to find the 
ties of the old stock bourgeoisie which survived either in exile or the 
bureaucracy connected to building up the army and police to defend their 
interests.Not in the least they dragged out Carl Gustav and the monarchy to 
make these links real! 

Where as the Swedish "big" bourgeoisie are putting all of their cards on 
building up the infrastructure in these countries and have pretty much by 
passed quite conciously the Soviet Union which they are quite skeptical too 
because of the fact that the whole operation could explode in their faces 
and know way to control it. 

When Yeltsin was here, one sees the idiot that other big imperialists 
interest, not in the least the Americans are supporting as their man in 
Moscow. And as far as the American "big" bourgeoisie--historically--they are 
just newcomers on the arena and mostly considered "louts", big mouthed and 
clumsy" connected to using muscle instead of their heads to rule!  In this 
sense Justin's description of his "mates" at college are very funny but I 
doubt if the boys and girls at Oxford see it in the same way. In fact the 
recent events around Di show the real class of decadent monarchy and the 
real power of the big bourgeoisie and their lackies in turning this into a 
fucking parade for jolly old England as it sinks into the sunset..

But the swedish bourgeoisie were more interested in more realistic goals in 
regards to their strategy. Thus all the talk was about troop withdrawals 
especially around the Baltic states and Poland which they see as the real 
bastion for moving their positions forward.. They see the always historic 
dream of the swedish ruling class controling the countries that border the 
Baltic sea. Naturally the clout to build their empire depends on Germany or 
a NATO umbrella to defend these interests.And in back of this stuff is the 
rebuilding of and industrial infrastructure connected to low labor costs and 
a grateful "anti-communist" and nationalist ideology looking for and 
identity that was lost when the Red Army occupied these countries. And the 
King and the big bourgeoisie in Sweden are more then willing to give a 
"helping" hand.. 

The German "big" bourgeoisie are certainly not sitting back and watching all 
this stuff going on without defending their historical interests which 
survived after the secind world war. They to are acting in their *own* 
interests and hardly for the Americans or any body else. Just as the French 
and others are doing. Probably the only old "bourgeoisie" which is really 
bad off is the English who's empire faded into the sunset with the end of 
the boat and seafaring nations mighty imperialist power came to be replaced 
by the tank and the airplane.. In fact I hear that it is the "new" Arab 
bourgeoisie that owns have of London and not the other way around!

Despite the "Victorian" imperialist culture and all that represented best at 
Jefferson Village by Chris B and his left version of this now dead bird..

I stop their for the time being. But I think this discussion could give far 
more then the jousting at present taking place on the list. Wish we had a 
smart German here. And our "Dutch/Finnish" expert could tell us about not 
only the revangeist history of the Finnish ruling class who certainly have a 
score to settle with Russia. But the Dutch ruling class and Dutch East 
Indies empire and all that..Then there is the Italian "big" bougeoisie 
playing their games in Albania and Africa. The french in Africa..And that 
stuff. Spain would also be interesting to here about and what the "big" 
bourgeoisie are doing these days. Because set the stage for world war two. 
Just as the former Yugoslavia is a prelude to the next imperialist 
confrontation..

Not to mention the Southern belly of the ex Soviet Union, Turkey and Iran. 
And what is the big bourgeoisie of Japan doing and the Chinese bourgeoisie 
which is preparing to retake the mainland..

I think that if one links the "big" bourgeoisie as a class and family 
usually under one nation and their god--gods, one can also see that they are 
alive and kicking and acting according to their own history and 
traditions..The "discreet charmers" verses upp comers and "workerholics" is 
just a fluke discussion. Although the "new" bourgeoisies like the Arabs are 
certainly a force albut without any military clout whereas the black 
bonapartes like in the former Zaire recruited as neo-colonial message boys 
can produce the cannon fodder necessary to penetrate this new and changing 
situation. Here to the British are fucked. Despite Nelson Mandela..It is the 
French, Belgians and Americans with the ex Soviet Union playing a has been 
role..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki

Ps! Just a thought I want to throw out here..We have talked about the "weak 
link" in the imperialist chain and revolutions after the first and second 
world war. Perhaps the new weak link will be a few of the core imperialist 
countries like England with a bourgeoisie that has the tradition but no real 
social clout any longer with all the colonies gone being the new weak link 
where the opportunity of proletarian revolution could very well sweep them 
away. Before like in Franco's Spain they had the imperial troops and empire 
to use to smash any rebellion at home. this is not the case today.. Whereas 
the Swedes and the germans understand the need for the infrastructure in 
order to uphold their rule. England on the other hand has nothing but the 
middle class left and Tony Blair! A fucking by product of ages long 
gone and by passed..Naturally this goes for Proyects boring us with his 
India history which has no point at all other then as Juri says Proyect 
trying to find a justification of some sort for his present "Gren" trajectory..

Warm regards
Bob Malecki



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