Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 00:33:54 +0100 (MET)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: M-G murder plan at Spoons': Sorry, mixed Sean & Ferdi 


M-G murder plan at Spoons': Sorry, mixed Sean & Ferdi 
[Posted: 13.01.98]

In my recent 2-part posting "M-G murder plan at Spoons':
Massive protests!", the reproduced postings by Sean Olds and 
by Ferdi got mixed up in my glueing-together, part 2/2. I 
apologize to both.

This is how their respective postings should read:


From: SeanOlds <SeanOlds-AT-aol.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 03:15:34 EST
To: marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Re: M-G: More about the new list rules

Why new list rules ?

I dont think there is a demonstrable problem with new list 
members. I am one and was attracted by the open and freewheeling
nature of the contributions.

I dont see the problem with maleki's or marten's contributions. 
whether correct or not, they stimulate thought and discussion.

The m-i list operates well as a moderated list with a three post 
per day limit and no other monitoring on characters or per 
centages. 

The post per day, character ceiling and per centage cap do not 
seem to me to address any real problem. I had thought that the 
strength of the spoons lists lay in the promotion of free 
speech. Free speech needs no metering to promote quality. It is 
the ideas and the consistency or provoking-ness of the speakers
which relates to quality. Stifle the speaker, stifle the speech. 

It is disappointing to see a censor's touch applied as a 
rationale for promoting speech. 

Understood that the spoons collective is not a communist cell 
but what does that have to do with the price of tea in, say, 
china ? Is the alternative a set of censorship rules or no 
marxism lists ?

As to the "problem" of reading so many posts, I had thought 
that one of the acquired skills of e-mail use was the ability to
pick and choose. I had also thought that one of the advantages 
of the computer environment was the ability to sort through 
large amounts of information to find what you are interested in.

Free speech in volume is not a problem. The recurring felt-need 
to censor, particularly using "content-neutral" rules, is.

Just a few thoughts from a newbie.


Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 11:23:52 +0000
From: "jay" <ferdi-AT-deathsdoor.com> [Ferdi]
To: marxism-general-AT-jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Re: M-G: More about the new list rules

Well Hans

It would seem your proposals to destroy the list have not met 
with a favourable air..there is one way to decide though..put it
to a vote..democratic and fair..do we want to be regulated or 
allowed the freedom to write what we want?

[So far Sean and Ferdi]





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