File spoon-archives/marxism-general.archive/marxism-general_1998/marxism-general.9804, message 119


Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 01:11:18 +0200 (MET DST)
From: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se (Rolf Martens)
Subject: M-G: Committee yes!; Usenet yes!; Official lists here!


Committee yes!; Usenet yes!; Official lists here!
[Posted: 24.04.98]

[This goes to soon-to-be-killed Marxism-General mailing
list (M-G) managed by the Spoon Collective (see
<http://jefferson.village.Virginia.EDU/~spoons/>) and to
newsgroups, i.a. 'alt.socitety.revolution'.]


1. Vladimir has proposed an emergency committee for the resur-
rection of M-G elsewhere. A good idea. I'd like to join that
committee.

2. His history of the Spoons' M1 and later M-G is not so
accurate, though.

3. I really would like to try to run a list. But as I wrote,
I at the moment can't master the technical difficulties. Advice
would be welcome.

4. Mark Jones has the knowhow for doing such a thing, he says.
But he won't do it unless ha can say "off with their heads!"
to Bob Malecki, Hugh Rodwell and others. Then it absolutely
wouldn't be an M-G type of list then, which is what I and,
I think, many others are after, but another social-imperialist
SiberiaSwamp ("LeninList") like the infamous one on whose
board of moderators he, Mark, was (is?). Bob M. and Hugh R.
both represent reactionary Trotskyism/Khrushchovism but none
of them have done anything to merit an exclusion.

So I propose "no, thank you" to Mark's suggestion. Expertise
is needed but not when necessarily combined with white-guardism.

5. Bob Malecki's suggestion (the same as I already made last
January): Why not simply USE USENET, and in the first place
write to newsgroup 'alt.society.revolution' (yes, I thought so
too) IMO is a very good and practical one.

Why must the discussions necessarily take place through the
medium of a mailing list?

This has advantages some advantages, yes, but a newsgroup has
some very big ones too. As Bob M. rightly said, no "overlor-
ding", for instance. That's important.

6. Malgosia writes that I said she "had a habit of" lying
through her teeth. All can see I only mentioned one instance
of such activity on her part. But with that other statement, she
does seem to be trying to form such a habit. Bad, bad, Malgy.
Say good-bye to such things, or more and more people will say
good-bye to you. (I'm providing this advice free of charge to
some other people too.)

7. Much better was the Spooners' (Malgy, soon-to-be-ex Host
Hans, etc) actually complying with that request of mine for a
look at the (formerly) forbidden lists of subscribers to M-G and
M-G Digest.

In a closing and farwell (sob, sob!, bye, bye!) statement, the
same Spooners (who, yes, did perform some meritorious services
in the past; that should be recognized too) are saying that
which I guessed they perhaps might be not completely insincere
about: They do want to help others start M-G type lists else-
where.

The following lists which I recently got from them may be taken
as signs of such sincerity; these thus are the official ones

(and I suggest people follow that "last-word-and-testament"
suggestion by the Spooners too, and do subscribe to marxism-
transition):


SUBSCRIBERS TO SPOONS' M-G,
23.04.1998, OFFICIAL LIST:

jpmonteiro-AT-mail.telepac.pt
ehrbar5-AT-econ.utah.edu
74742.1651-AT-CompuServe.COM
shmage-AT-pipeline.com
okafor-AT-kutztown.edu
cynewulf-AT-pacbell.net
rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se
teacher-AT-nownuri.nowcom.co.kr
JESSE-AT-wwpublish.com
cdavidson-AT-igc.apc.org
pbucking-AT-calvin.linfield.edu
Vladimir Bilenkin <achekhov-AT-unity.ncsu.edu>
m-18043-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se
sestrada-AT-fismat1.fcfm.buap.mx
esker-AT-crl.com
mikeski-AT-eskimo.com
CHAND_G-AT-usp.ac.fj
aksop-AT-media.ankara.edu.tr
m_c_01a1-AT-frank.mtsu.edu
aga-AT-ufc.br
sophiam-AT-compulink.gr
phoward-AT-emunix.emich.edu
jamesfulton-AT-usa.net
m.carlini-AT-flashnet.it
l-marxism-gen-AT-igc.apc.org
joshd-AT-russiamail.com
pws-AT-umich.edu
jschaffner-AT-igc.apc.org
daymonj-AT-aol.com
rodrigoa-AT-almaak.usc.edu
bomber-AT-globalpac.com
notchris-AT-webtv.net
mao_docs-AT-blythe.org
olae-AT-interact.se
marxism-general-AT-carrenet.com
jjlassen-AT-mail.sysnet.net.tw
ferdi-AT-deathsdoor.com
mlbooks-AT-mcs.com
gerry-AT-gerryd.demon.co.uk
rlyon-AT-gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
gino-AT-sottovoce.it
comvox-AT-flash.net
siddhart-AT-mailbox.syr.edu
gidonraz-AT-netvision.net.il
belbo-AT-scorpio.venturanet.it
weklu-AT-mail.skylink.de
dhenwood-AT-panix.com
vedder-AT-ksu.edu
crobin-AT-eden.rutgers.edu
Schneider-AT-gmx.net
cmontero-AT-uol.com.br
pedro-AT-netservice.com.mx
dacard-AT-pacbell.net
"Sheila Walters" <swalters-AT-odu.edu>
malecki-AT-robertsfors.mail.telia.com
Olae_M-Gen-AT-flamman.interact.se (Olae_M-Gen)
Jorn Andersen <jorn.andersen-AT-vip.cybercity.dk>
wellsfargo-AT-tinet.ie
"Charles MacKay"<charlesmackay-AT-hotmail.com>
dse-AT-mediacity.com
louisgodena-AT-ids.net (Louis R Godena)
Hugh Rodwell <m-14970-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se>
Matthew Parham <farcical-AT-jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
nestor-AT-sisurb.filo.uba.ar
Walter Daum <WGDCC-AT-CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU>
"p_idkdd" <p_idkdd-AT-zelator.berlinet.de>
Juan Fajardo <fajardos-AT-ix.netcom.com>
"Jose F. Polanco" <polancoj-AT-ccaix3.unican.es>
MarkVA39 <MarkVA39-AT-aol.com>
Gary Dale <Gary.Dale-AT-ee.ed.ac.uk>
revcom-AT-hn.pl.net
27789-AT-tnb.com.my
Hugo Wetterberg <kyros-AT-swipnet.se>
"gutob" <gutob-AT-mandic.com.br>
<malecki-AT-algonet.se>
Mark Jones <Jones_M-AT-netcomuk.co.uk>
Jim <jim-AT-cag1.demon.co.uk>
Max Bastille <freespace-AT-ameritech.net>
"Niklas" <mr-carbohydrate-AT-msn.com>
Bernerhund-AT-bc.sympatico.ca
Larry Daniels <ldaniels-AT-nettaxi.com>
Dennis R Redmond <dredmond-AT-gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Chris Burford <cburford-AT-gn.apc.org>
Matti J=E4rvinen <mj62067-AT-uta.fi>
yalcin ozgur <e110692-AT-orca.cc.metu.edu.tr>
"death?!?! tom cox" <el_queso-AT-hotmail.com>
JJG <juvegomes-AT-geocities.com>
"liam grogan" <grogan-AT-iol.ie>
Louis Proyect <lnp3-AT-panix.com>
welch-AT-mcmail.com


SUBSCRIBERS TO SPOONS' M-G DIGEST,
23.04.1998, OFFICIAL LIST:

X-swipnet-delivery-id: 199804240137
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:37:16 -0400
From: Spoon Collective <spoons-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
To: rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se
Subject: M-G-digest
X-UIDL: 5750b07ab9bf2fa0393549c7d2ca9ed9

rolf.martens-AT-mailbox.swipnet.se
DOND001-AT-IT.net
jeffs-AT-werple.net.au
ilyin-AT-geocities.com
kellner-AT-ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
hsyoo-AT-garnet.acns.fsu.edu
sl53433-AT-uta.fi
ninel-AT-ki.comcity.de
plt-AT-dircon.co.uk
Klasber-AT-aol.com
fwalker-AT-sover.net
pcg-AT-panix.com
epm-AT-mail.telepac.pt
S.Wallis-AT-mmu.ac.uk
comvoice-AT-flash.net
glee-AT-redhorizon.demon.co.uk
mattk-AT-indigo.ie
ronp-AT-nyct.net
eminadas-AT-ux6.cso.uiuc.edu
mdaily-AT-sushiking.com
nhelp-AT-juno.com
saitta-AT-nettaxi.com
jwalker-AT-fs1.li.man.ac.uk
tizoc69-AT-juno.com
vpiercy-AT-indiana.edu
malgosia askanas <ma-AT-panix.com>
swalters-AT-odu.edu
phylstevens-AT-worldnet.att.net
fajardos-AT-ix.netcom.com
imburgia-AT-whidbey.com
jbm7-AT-tutor.open.ac.uk
can5c-AT-avery.med.virginia.edu
cftmj-AT-hkschool.net
cpiml_elo-AT-yahoo.com
t-eaton-AT-mindspring.com
cburford-AT-gn.apc.org
unicad-AT-ibm.net

[So far the Spoons' lists.]

Rolf M.

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