Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 02:07:51 -0400 From: malecki-AT-algonet.se (Robert Malecki) Subject: M-G: Out of the ashes of Jefferson Village! Dear Blythes and subscribers to M-G, Cockroach readers and Usenet... Below is what I wrote and was going to send out all over the net this morning regarding attempts to find a list server which would host and unmoderated "Marxist" list. However being that the new self constituted threesome have decided to go ahead and make all the decisions before even counting the votes, I say good luck and good bye..I take my hands from this project.. They have unfortunately put a fake coup de tate mentality of fake "democracy" before the funamental principle of having and open list. And unfortunately this practice of taking decisions on the basis of a very few people and according to simple majority rules is a direct threat to the principle of just creating and open unmoderated list... I wish them all the luck in the world in trying to find a new home as they dig themselves out of the ashes of Jefferson Village. And I will be one of the first to subscribe to the new list if it becomes a reality. However, I can not on principle take part in their fake democratic practices which in this case argue for creating and open list--but the method used is so Coup de tate and based on loading the lists with a simple majority which means that any step forward towards creating and open list can be quickly taken back by any group walking in here and saying "we are the majority" and thus... Our fake democrats and their ideas for taking decisions are directly countered posed to the principle of and open unmoderated list where all those claiming to fight in the interests of poor and working class people irrespective of any simple majority at one given time appear to dominate the list..will have the absolute right to argue and struggle for those politics which they think are in the interests of poor and working class people.. Warm regards Bob Malecki First I must say I have nothing against the new attempt by Juan, Rolf and Vlad to create a new list over at Blythes. However I disagree about a number of things in the numerous posts this morning on this stuff.. First and foremost is that Rolf should not have written to Blythes on his own in regards to creating a new list. And what he writes is objectively wrong.. But first I have some old friends at Blythes whom I could write to about setting up a list. However first we have to agree on what the list will be. How much traffic (which I believe Rolf completely draws wrong conclusions).. 5 to 20 posta aday is ridiculous in the long term.. M2 at Jefferson Village in fact was not "democratic" or "open" at all but the first attempt by the "ivory tower" and later to be called "duck pond" to create lists which banned certain people and discussions...The only two lists that have ever been open was the old m1 and it follower M-G... Thirdly I disagree with the idea of "simple majority" as cutting across the fundamental principal of and open list..Either you have and open list period or you have a "democratic" simple majority list which is not open but is run according to what the human material in majority on the list at any given time think is a good idea.. Forthly I disagree with the committee of four. I think Dave B. ,Hugh, Stuward, Neil (our list bordigist) and others (not in the least numerous "Cockroach" subscribers like Brown, Zuus, some of their Japanese friends) certainly can be on the list as consistent fighters for the principle of and open unmoderated list.. Over and above this I am prepared to help in anyway to start new lists. Including being part of a panel or team who wants to continue in the tradition of having a place where all who claim to fight in the interests of poor and working class people have a place to argue their points. This means all and no "simple majority" will ever be able to hi-jack a list for their own purposes... I agree that marxism (unmoderated) is and important point to make in light of the numerous moderated lists now being served up by numerous people..Just because Marxism stands for arguing on the basis of history and living class struggle and not just one groups ideas of this stuff.. I also think that we should approach Blythe and others not as them doing us a service for money. But that we are a group of militants who think on principle that the Internet have a discussion list where all (in the workers movement) are welcome..And that Blythes should see it as their duty to create such a list as a service to poor and working class people. And if they do not want to do this then I will certainly make a big deal out of it. My whole life I have certainly tried to fight in the interests of poor and working class people. I did it and do it under enforced exile--no money--for example my numerous radio programs and TV appearances..So either Blythes helps us with this or they get put on the list of "leftist" servers who are using this forum to make a buck..And become and obstacle for poor and working class people to meet and discuss on this media... And believe me I will stick it to Bythes or any other leftist server who want to stop this forum from becoming a reality wheter it is for money or bureaucratic reasons.. They know very well that that a forum like this could be a powerful instrument in favor of their services if it is done correctly.. We are offering and opportunity to expand their influence in leftist circles on the net as a server which fights in the interests of poor and working class people. Just as Jefferson Village in closing down these lists betray poor and working class people. And we should be absolutely clear on this when we go out to announce a new list and a server willing to host a marxism (unmoderated) list.. I suggest sending this to Blythes. (If the list approves) I will send it to marxism-general, and numerous people on the net.. And to my friends at Blythes, I suggest that you wheigh carefully the pros and cons of hosting one fairly simple option which at this point does not exist on the Internet anywhere. And it will be the duty of those responsible for running the list to make sure that this list becomes a beacon of openess for all in the workers movement. And not another bizaar sectarian creation of all kinds of fake left diletantes, who continue with all kinds of opportunist and petty organizational manuvers to cover up their own political bankruptcy in order to build their *own* lists in order to control, trick and fool people... So hopefully if not Bythes then some other server on the net will be interested in hosting a list which on principal will be open to all in the workers movement. And run by people that put this principle as its banner and the myriad of other lists now popping up which are not open, not democratic, because what they fear most is open hard polemics and fighting about our common future.. Finally, if Blythes sees this mainly as and opportunity to earn some money rather then creating a service for poor and working class people, their political parties and mass organizations, then they will not get one bit of help from Malecki. Malecki is and exile, poor and unemployed worker who in no way can financially support or uphold a long term committment such as we are suggesting. But if they were smart then they could become the hub and water hole for many people on line looking for a list which fights in the interests of poor and working class people, with a policy of openess and seeing no self proclaimed tendency or trend in the workers movement or any of its "private" lists where everybody agrees to disagree as the norm. But and open and honest list where politics will be fought out and the subscribers are welcome to contribute, lurk, or participate in any way they feel comfortable.. Warm regards Bob Malecki ------------------------------------------------------- Check Out My HomePage where you can, Read or download the book! Ha Ha Ha McNamara, Vietnam-My Bellybutton is my Crystalball! And Now the International Communist League Page! Just push on the "Spartacist" Button. Or Get The Latest Issue of, COCKROACH, a zine for poor and working-class people. Checkout the "RADIO TIME" Page.. And now the "Black" and "Brown" pages.. http://home.bip.net/malecki http://www.algonet.se/~malecki Email <malecki-AT-algonet.se> ------------------------------------------------------- --- from list marxism-general-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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